a MINI coming to the WRC? Apparently...

Old Jul 27, 2010 | 01:59 PM
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a MINI coming to the WRC? Apparently...

http://www.rallybuzz.com/mini-wrc-2011-announced/

MINI is making a comeback on the international rally circuit. From 2011, the brand will compete at selected rounds of the FIA World Rally Championship (WRC) and will go on to contest the entire season from 2012 onwards. This involvement is planned for several years.
The car charged with this task is the MINI Countryman WRC, which is being developed by Prodrive, in close cooperation with MINI, and is based on the production model. The powerful heart of the racing car is a 1.6-litre, four-cylinder turbo-charged engine from BMW Motorsport. The car complies with the new Super2000 regulations put in place by the International Automobile Federation (FIA), which stipulate the use of turbo engines with 1,600 cc displacement and four-wheel drive combined with an increased emphasis on road relevant technologies. The result is a significant 25 per cent reduction in overall costs. The first test drive for the MINI Countryman WRC, which will also be available to customer teams, is planned for autumn 2010.
This decision sees MINI continue its success story in the world of rallying. In the 1960s, the MINI Cooper S caused a sensation with victories at the legendary Monte Carlo Rally. The company also tasted success on many occasions in the European Rally Championship. Having already demonstrated the sporty character of its models in many countries in the MINI CHALLENGE, the brand is now taking its presence in motorsport to a new level with the commitment to the WRC.
Ian Robertson, member of the Board of Management of BMW AG, responsible for Sales and Marketing, says: “I am delighted MINI will be represented on one of the most popular stages in international motorsport. The success enjoyed on the rally circuit has made a vital contribution to the image of the brand. MINI customers have always shown great interest in motorsport. I am convinced we will add a few more chapters to our success story in rallying. The MINI Countryman provides an excellent basis, from which to create a competitive racing car for the world championship. In Prodrive, we have a strong and experienced partner. We will work hard together over the coming months to ensure we get the project on track right from the word go.”
“This is a very exciting new motorsport programme,” said Prodrive Chairman, David Richards. “During the 1960s MINI captured the imagination of the world when the tiny car took on the might of V8 powered Fords and won what was then one of the toughest motorsport events, the 4000km Monte Carlo rally. I believe our new MINI will become a firm favourite of the latest generation of rally fans, just as it is adored by its millions of owners across the world. We already have a significant number of confirmed customer orders for the new MINI rally car with the first deliveries scheduled for the start of the 2011 season.”
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so when can I buy my AWD turbo version for the street?
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Originally Posted by psoper
so when can I buy my AWD turbo version for the street?
right around this time?

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Originally Posted by Krinkov
right around this time?

Agreed.

Am I wrong to assume that they'll need to homologate a certain number of cars before they can actually go race?

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...and a decent article from WRC.com:

WRC Mini article

I just find it humorous that BMW/Mini is going to claim all of this "rallying heritage" as their own.

Still, overall this is great news!!!

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Nope the AWD option does not yet appear, might be sooner than I thought though...
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I think the Clubman is going to be AWD or at least have an AWD option.

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Originally Posted by eastbaysubaru
Agreed.

Am I wrong to assume that they'll need to homologate a certain number of cars before they can actually go race?

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actually, the homologation rules dont require AWD at all. If you notice, none of the current top WRC cars offer AWD in any street trim, they are all FWD (Ford Focus, Citroen Xsara and C4, Peugeot 307)

http://www.rallycars.com/Cars/Cars_Background4.html
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Originally Posted by Krinkov
actually, the homologation rules dont require AWD at all. If you notice, none of the current top WRC cars offer AWD in any street trim, they are all FWD (Ford Focus, Citroen Xsara and C4, Peugeot 307)

http://www.rallycars.com/Cars/Cars_Background4.html
which is completely stupid if you ask me....
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which is completely stupid if you ask me....
ya but definitely it was the right practical decision since we cant even keep manufactures that DO have off the shelf turbo AWD cars interested in WRC. If they had told Ford, Citroen, Peugeot, etc that they would have to make 25,000 turbo AWD cars to compete they would have walked and the bottom would have dropped out of WRC altogether
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Originally Posted by eastbaysubaru
Agreed.

Am I wrong to assume that they'll need to homologate a certain number of cars before they can actually go race?

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Only if in Group N (PWRC) I believe, Group A also requires it, however you can change suspension mount points, drivetrains, etc.

So in Group N (PWRC), I think they would have to be FWD since they are lightly modded in that class.
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Originally Posted by joltdudeuc
Only if in Group N (PWRC) I believe, Group A also requires it, however you can change suspension mount points, drivetrains, etc.

So in Group N (PWRC), I think they would have to be FWD since they are lightly modded in that class.
actually most of the group N cars in PWRC are AWD, plenty of STIs and EVOs when I was there, the JWRCs were all FWDs,
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actually, the homologation rules dont require AWD at all. If you notice, none of the current top WRC cars offer AWD in any street trim, they are all FWD (Ford Focus, Citroen Xsara and C4, Peugeot 307)

http://www.rallycars.com/Cars/Cars_Background4.html
I know they don't require AWD for homologation purposes for the WRC class cars. I was just more curious about the more production based classes. Hell, neither Citroen or Ford has ever produced AWD versions of their current WRC cars.

As far as homologation goes I thought the total number of cars that had to be built was a lot lower for the "production" cars (P-WRC, Grp N). Wasn't it 500 cars at one point?

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A Mini rally car..... man working on that thing is going to be a huge PITA
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All homolgation requirements these days are 2500 units min (Rallycars.com is wrong about Grp N needing 5000).

S2000 allows for AWD in the variant kit for Rally only- not touring car.

Grp N has additional restrictions for AWD cars over 2 liters that don't apply to 2WD

S1600 is still one driven axle only (F or R- not both)

You can read through this stuff for weeks and still not get it all...


http://www.fia.com/sport/Regulations/rallyregs.html

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