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Old Nov 3, 2006 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by wrxtunerd
Send me the links on what they left out.
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm

FACTS...not conjecture.....
Old Nov 3, 2006 | 02:02 PM
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You can search for it. It was posted here in i-club. And yes I do know a lot of people in the armed forces, not sure why that is relevant. People in armed forces also see/believe in different views as well.

FYI, this is what I mean by the flag thing... No biggie, just respect for our country and flag.
http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html

I am not saying the film is wrong, just saying there are two sides of the story...

Originally Posted by wrxtunerd
Send me the links on what they left out.
Do you know anyone in the armed forces?

I urge everyone to watch the whole documentary, the evidence is overwhelming that we weren't told the truth.
Old Nov 3, 2006 | 02:04 PM
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Yeah thats my main point, GWB is the biggest moron ever to step foot in office, there is no way in hell he could pull this off and not get caught

Cant you just imagine him at some big politcal function, bragging to Blaire "yeah, you know that thurr world trade center, I gotz to pull da trigger yeee hawwww", only to realize the mic was still on

Im not to going debate this with anyone, but I will say flat out the whole video is BS, there was no conspiracy, and planes did in fact hit the WTC and pentagon

Conspiracy theorist are generally considered crazy, this case is no different
Those who automatically discredit the idea that the events that took place on September 11th could not have been a conspiracy or involved any shady government actions are only willing to invest enough time into the thought experiment to come to the conclusion that it is impossible because "GWB is the biggest moron ever to step foot in office." Not only do they deserve to be tricked by their government, but they present the least intellectual evidence. Think past that teeny weeny little fact and either present evidence that can be proven or disprove the evidence presented, don't bother contributing if you are going to spew out something a middle schooler could. Present something a little more intellecutal that exhibits reason. Go ask some of our troops if the hole in the Pentagon looks like a Boeing 747 or a missle. How does a plane with two giant Rolls Royce engines get vaporized, yet 184 out of 189 of the passengers aboard are identified through only DNA found at the scene of the vaporized plane??? So DNA can be found but a plane can't? If you can't see that things don't add up, you obviously either don't care, don't want to spend time researching it, or are just plain stupid... which is it? What if your family was murdered and the report you were given had many flaws and unusual facts that didn't add up? Would you sit there and accept that someone lied about killing your family or would you invest time and energy to find out what happened?

No one wants to deal with it because life is easier if it isn't true.
Old Nov 3, 2006 | 02:15 PM
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The government conspiracy is a government conspiracy!!!


Honestly... Wanna know what my biggest problem with Loose Change is, and why I don't think it's true...


When has this government shown ANY!!!!! Signs of Competency?

Hell our own vice president can't go out hunting without shooting a load in his lawyers face before he is done, how could they pull off something of that caliber

Going back to the Robert Ludlum books in my post above, he wrote that it's not the government that has the power, it's the big multibillionaire businessmen that run the country/world. Gov't officials, presidents, vice presidents are all just pawns for the businessmen to use It was Bill Gates that blew up the towers
Old Nov 3, 2006 | 02:17 PM
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Old Nov 3, 2006 | 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by wrxtunerd
Would you sit there and accept that someone lied about killing your family or would you invest time and energy to find out what happened?

kinda like how the military lied to some families whose son/soldier was killed in Iraq due to friendly fire or whatnot and they claimed they were killed by the enemy instead.
Old Nov 3, 2006 | 02:21 PM
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You can search for it. It was posted here in i-club. And yes I do know a lot of people in the armed forces, not sure why that is relevant. People in armed forces also see/believe in different views as well.

FYI, this is what I mean by the flag thing... No biggie, just respect for our country and flag.
http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html

I am not saying the film is wrong, just saying there are two sides of the story...
I only asked if you knew people in the armed forces because almost all that I talked to say a plane didn't hit the pentagon or the field in pa.

thanks for the link
Old Nov 3, 2006 | 02:27 PM
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thats a cool link, i like seeing both sides because i hope the government is not involved, but there is just so much that seems shady
Old Nov 3, 2006 | 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by wrxtunerd
How does a plane with two giant Rolls Royce engines get vaporized, yet 184 out of 189 of the passengers aboard are identified through only DNA found at the scene of the vaporized plane??? So DNA can be found but a plane can't?
does anyone know what happens to aluminum when it crashes into something at 500 mph? does anyone know what happenes to ANYthing when it crashes into something at 500 mph? this is exactly why only DNA was found for those who were killed, and FYI ther was only 64 passengers on flight 77.. there was 189 total fatalities AT the pentagon.. get your shyt straight before your start slinging it
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Originally Posted by wrxtunerd
Those who automatically discredit the idea that the events that took place on September 11th could not have been a conspiracy or involved any shady government actions are only willing to invest enough time into the thought experiment to come to the conclusion that it is impossible because "GWB is the biggest moron ever to step foot in office." Not only do they deserve to be tricked by their government, but they present the least intellectual evidence. Think past that teeny weeny little fact and either present evidence that can be proven or disprove the evidence presented, don't bother contributing if you are going to spew out something a middle schooler could. Present something a little more intellecutal that exhibits reason. Go ask some of our troops if the hole in the Pentagon looks like a Boeing 747 or a missle. How does a plane with two giant Rolls Royce engines get vaporized, yet 184 out of 189 of the passengers aboard are identified through only DNA found at the scene of the vaporized plane??? So DNA can be found but a plane can't? If you can't see that things don't add up, you obviously either don't care, don't want to spend time researching it, or are just plain stupid... which is it? What if your family was murdered and the report you were given had many flaws and unusual facts that didn't add up? Would you sit there and accept that someone lied about killing your family or would you invest time and energy to find out what happened?

No one wants to deal with it because life is easier if it isn't true.
lol..did you really just insinuate that im stupid

Quite the contrary, I was AT uc berkeley when the whole investigation was being done, my statics professors was the lead investigator as to WHY the towers collapsed. Ive seen MOUNDS of data collected ON SITE, all of the theoretical and analytical models, and full computer simulations (mechanical and thermal) of exactly what happened with the twin towers

Science+Engineering+Physics>>>>Internet speculation

I have cold hard facts and actual evidence, you have a video glorified on you-tube

Again, I dont need to argue, I simply stated my side. Its up to you to ASSume me to be a blind believer, when the only blind believers out there are those who believe everything they see on the internet. I also bought some pills I got in my hot mail junk folder and my ***** grew 3" in 4 weeks
Old Nov 3, 2006 | 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ucbsti
lol..did you really just insinuate that im stupid

Quite the contrary, I was AT uc berkeley when the whole investigation was being done, my statics professors was the lead investigator as to WHY the towers collapsed. Ive seen MOUNDS of data collected ON SITE, all of the theoretical and analytical models, and full computer simulations (mechanical and thermal) of exactly what happened with the twin towers

Science+Engineering+Physics>>>>Internet speculation

I have cold hard facts and actual evidence, you have a video glorified on you-tube

Again, I dont need to argue, I simply stated my side. Its up to you to ASSume me to be a blind believer, when the only blind believers out there are those who believe everything they see on the internet. I also bought some pills I got in my hot mail junk folder and my ***** grew 3" in 4 weeks
can u send me the link to the pills?
I posted this so that I could here what people have to say on the topic, what was the professors name at berkley, i just want to see the facts proven or disproven. I don't know how much I believe, but I do not believe a plane hit the pentagon or the field. As for the towers, the bomb planting is a little too much for me because I would hope people working security there would notice something fishy.
I am not in full support of a conspiracy theory, rather I want answers to some of the questions the conspiracy theory presents.
Old Nov 3, 2006 | 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by midnitewrx02
does anyone know what happens to aluminum when it crashes into something at 500 mph? does anyone know what happenes to ANYthing when it crashes into something at 500 mph? this is exactly why only DNA was found for those who were killed, and FYI ther was only 64 passengers on flight 77.. there was 189 total fatalities AT the pentagon.. get your shyt straight before your start slinging it
You're right about the casualties vs passengers- I typed that in wrong. A plane crashed in Greece in 04 or 05, I have the article on my laptop at home, at a crusing speed of 500mph. I believe it was a Boeing 737 and it crashed into a dirt hill at 500mph, they found both engines, the fuselage, wings, rear stabilizer, and tons of bodies... The hole in the pentagon doesn't even have marks from the stabilizer or the wings, but they found the mixed up DNA of 184 people amongst all of the mess? Come on... Just because the plane hit the Pentagon doesn't mean everything gets to disappear and a single turbo jet engine, not from a Boeing gets to appear. Check out the pictures before the outer wall fell.
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so you think its a half conspiracy? The us government was in alignment with terrorists so they could plant 2 bombs shortly after the planes crashed into the towers?
Old Nov 3, 2006 | 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by wrxtunerd
You're right about the casualties vs passengers- I typed that in wrong. A plane crashed in Greece in 04 or 05, I have the article on my laptop at home, at a crusing speed of 500mph. I believe it was a Boeing 737 and it crashed into a dirt hill at 500mph, they found both engines, the fuselage, wings, rear stabilizer, and tons of bodies... The hole in the pentagon doesn't even have marks from the stabilizer or the wings, but they found the mixed up DNA of 184 people amongst all of the mess? Come on... Just because the plane hit the Pentagon doesn't mean everything gets to disappear and a single turbo jet engine, not from a Boeing gets to appear. Check out the pictures before the outer wall fell.
the only recognizable part of the greek plane that survived in that crash was the tail section and only 1 black box was recovered.. there was no other wreckage.. also the plane did not crash into that mountain side at speed as both of it engines had failed.. all of the planes during 9/11 accelerated into their targets, the greek flight just fell out of the sky, there is a difference in velocity there.. also there was some wreckage at the pentagon and the field in Pennsylvania, albeit nothing large, there was still some there.... you make it seem as if they found nothing but a hole in the building/ground and a pool of blood... your entitled to your opinion, but that doesnt make it right, and its not right to try to force your opinion upon others



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