code3suby

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I wish the best of luck to Ken Block, personally I'm excited that Americans are coming into WRC. Hopefully the US will get away from it's couch infront of the tv watching Nascar eating Mc Donalds mindset and into the drinking beer on a cold *** road in the rain watching cars get stupid in the mud mindset.

Overbear

HELLO McFly! what part of "NO LONGER IN WRC, NO LONGER SUPPORTED" do you not get? they couldn't stay with a subaru, no parts, no sponsorship.

eastbaysubaru

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Some of us have already been on the side of a mountain in the rain freezing our asses off only to have the stage cancelled without seeing a single rally car and then having a ton of spectators cars towed. I still wouldn't trade that experience for any "sitting on my *** all Sunday waiting for a car to crash whilst turning left for hours on end" experience there is.

-Brian

chimchimm5

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This will make me very interested in Ford again.

chimchimm5

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Where's the turbo kit option? Not available in california right now.

Oh... and what did the Pikes Peak team do with the rear torsion beam suspension on the Fiesta? Is it modified or did they stick with the torsion beam?

Krinkov

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Seriously, Its one thing to say good for him for getting a shot even though hes way out of his league, thats fine. But to hear this amount of hate? Jeez WTF? ANY of you guys would jump at the chance to have someone pay for you to get a seat in WRC, he KNOWS hes in over his head SO WHAT??

As far as being a marketing decision, ****ing DUH! Of COURSE it is! What the hells the problem with that?!? If you guys havent noticed, WRC can use all the good press it can get, especially here in the US. I remember when i started watching WRC back in 1999, there were EIGHT factory teams, now theres 2. Hell I'd be happy if they gave Kanye West a seat if it would raise more interest in in WRC and rally here in the US. Even if it was just to see if he crashed into a tree and died in a fire.




I hope he'll be drinking with THIS Mexican if me and Greg make it back down to the Mexico WRC this year

not12listen

thanks for not reading what i had posted.

you might NOT want to estimate or guess what i've typed, and actually READ what i've typed.

they had 2 options: FORD AND CITROEN.

Petter was a driver for Ford previously. Chris, to the best of my knowledge, never has been. so, they BOTH had Ford -=OR=- Citroen as an option.

and, despite the fact that Petter still had the option of going to either Ford or Citroen on their 'Junior' teams, he chose to go with a 2006 Citroen XSara. that can easily be taken as: 'F U Subaru. you suck. I am going with a reliable and winning car, despite it being on the LACK OF POWER side versus every of car in the grid.'

so again. thank you for NOT reading my words.

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and as per support...

XSara engine: XU10J4RS
C4 engine: EW10 S

now, i'm no expert on Citroen, engines or anything else... but, last i recall, different engine codes (ie. 7mgte VS 2jzgte) means that they have different parts and typically are NOT interchangeable. in that case, Petter went ahead without factory support as the engine in his XSara was not a current engine.

want to shove your foot into your mouth anymore?

eastbaysubaru

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How is that a F U to Subaru? Again, SUBARU WAS NOT AN OPTION. They were no longer contracting with Prodrive to develop the cars. Petter chose a 3 year old Citroen because he couldn't get the funding together to drive a newer car. Atkinson was in the same boat...NO FUNDING!!!

I think you need to think things through a little more before you spew this rah-tarded garbage.

-Brian

not12listen

in all honesty, i do not know the changes that were made (or not) to the Fiesta Pikes Peak car. unfortunately, i don't have access to sit alongside the mechanics as they work and tweak the cars... though, i would love to.

not12listen

a 2006 Subaru was as much of an option as the 2006 Citroen or 2006 Mitsubishi. and which did he go with?

Petter ran with a 3 year old car, with 3 year old technology, 3 year old engine/transmission/chassis (rebuilt i'm sure), which is why he suffered from lack of power compared to every other vehicle on the grid. but, the reason he ran with the XSara is because it has active (ie. electronic) differentials and he knew the reliability (ie. Sebastian Loeb won with it). 2007 was the first year that the FIA made active differentials illegal to use, which is why Mitsubishi left after 2006.

in order to run an older vehicle, you do not need factory support. you need $ to pay your entry fees, people, PR, replacement parts and travel expenses.

the point of factory support is financing, not parts. hence why Petter was listed as a Privateer. this made him eligible to contest for the Driver's title, but NOT the Manufacturer's title.

the average price of running a 2 car team in WRC is roughly $50 Million. that is why factory support is such a big thing, but again, it isn't required in order to try for the Driver's title.

eastbaysubaru

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I understand where you're coming from, but I think one other reason for going with the Xsara was that Citroen was still active in the WRC and parts for the older car may have been easier to obtain. I'm not sure what Prodrive's relationship is with Subarus now and am not sure if they'd be able, or willing, to provide replacement parts for a 3 year old WRC car. The winning heritage of the Xsara helped make the decision a bit easier I'm sure, but ultimately I don't think it was a FU to Subaru.

-Brian

offseasonmvp

i think the fiestas are hidious though...

not12listen

i'd be more than happy to go into further detail. but, lets keep it off this thread.

so, feel free to PM me, email me or AIM me.

rau

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Im no engine code pro or anything but isnt that the engine code for the Suzuki motor that was supposed to run WRC?

aboothman

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Two great posts. Thanks for restoring my faith in humanity...well, at least my faith in Americans that can appreciate a good thing when they see it.

Who cares if he loses?! Is it not true that it is better to try and fail than to never try? In this case trying will be a s*itload of fun!!!