View Poll Results: Which job?
Job number 1! $120k!!
9
13.85%
Job number 2! $90k + being happy = w1n
49
75.38%
I'd take job number 2 even if it was a $50k paycut (over job 1)
7
10.77%
Voters: 65. You may not vote on this poll
If you were offered 2 jobs at the same exact time, which would you take?
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you don't get what you work for, or what you earn...you get what you negotiate. <---cheezy, but true.
I'd take the option not listed....because once you take either job, you'll NEVER be in the position you're in now AGAIN.
THEY WANT YOU....once you walk in on your first day of work....YOU'LL WANT....a raise....promotion....more vacation....etc...
I'd take the option not listed....because once you take either job, you'll NEVER be in the position you're in now AGAIN.
THEY WANT YOU....once you walk in on your first day of work....YOU'LL WANT....a raise....promotion....more vacation....etc...
Um, that advice is terrible.
With the way that the job market is right now, they can replace you faster then you can say "Doh!". Just because they offer you a job doesn't mean you are the ONLY one they want...
Besides, that wasn't an option in the poll. You can take either job 1 or 2, that's it, no negotiations. Both jobs are very secure as well.
You'd really possibly blow an opportunity with job # 2 just because you had a backup job (job #1)? If you blow job #2, then you're stuck in your own personal hell for the rest of your time there. That reminds me of the fools that blow all their money by taking extra chances on those lottery shows... Do you gamble in real life? (or online?)
Another thing that no one mentioned, and I'm surprised that they didn't, is falling into the next tax bracket. From $90k to $120k you are taxed quite a bit more, so how much more are you really making from job 1?
Same thing happens with overtime. At a previous job I had to work A LOT of overtime, sometimes over 90 hours a WEEK (
) and that was no big deal for them... Anyway, I made MORE money if I worked 45 hours a week then if I worked 60 hours a week! (Or come close to breaking even, I can't recall). So basically even though I'd be making double time, I'd be making almost less then if I worked 15 hours less. Make sense? How f'ed up is that!?Though I did get one HELL of a tax return!
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Yeah.. also.
My dad would say to take the job that pays the most and who gives a **** how you are treated. Money is money. You can have that extra money working for you and that could lead to an early retirement, bigger house, more toys, etc etc.
I retract my vote and say take job 1.
My dad would say to take the job that pays the most and who gives a **** how you are treated. Money is money. You can have that extra money working for you and that could lead to an early retirement, bigger house, more toys, etc etc.
I retract my vote and say take job 1.
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So, do you want to stay in a lower tax bracket all your life because you are afraid to pay more tax? There is nothing a good CPA/tax professional cannot resolve.
And UP2MTNS advice is not terrible, it is quite right and not often considered...may be a person cannot use it to its full extent in the current market (mistiming), but it does not make it terrible.
Plus, it seems like you made up your mind way before you made this post. I see advantages and disadvantages to both situations, but (like I said before) they are relevant to how you see your job/career track.
And UP2MTNS advice is not terrible, it is quite right and not often considered...may be a person cannot use it to its full extent in the current market (mistiming), but it does not make it terrible.
Plus, it seems like you made up your mind way before you made this post. I see advantages and disadvantages to both situations, but (like I said before) they are relevant to how you see your job/career track.
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So, do you want to stay in a lower tax bracket all your life because you are afraid to pay more tax? There is nothing a good CPA/tax professional cannot resolve.
And UP2MTNS advice is not terrible, it is quite right and not often considered...may be a person cannot use it to its full extent in the current market (mistiming), but it does not make it terrible.
Plus, it seems like you made up your mind way before you made this post. I see advantages and disadvantages to both situations, but (like I said before) they are relevant to how you see your job/career track.
And UP2MTNS advice is not terrible, it is quite right and not often considered...may be a person cannot use it to its full extent in the current market (mistiming), but it does not make it terrible.
Plus, it seems like you made up your mind way before you made this post. I see advantages and disadvantages to both situations, but (like I said before) they are relevant to how you see your job/career track.
I wouldn't want to stay in the 90k tax bracket, its just something to consider about job 1 since people are only taking that job because it pays 30k more but in reality it doesn't pay 30k more due to taxes. This only applies to this particular situation between these two exact jobs.
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Um, that advice is terrible.
With the way that the job market is right now, they can replace you faster then you can say "Doh!". Just because they offer you a job doesn't mean you are the ONLY one they want...
Besides, that wasn't an option in the poll. You can take either job 1 or 2, that's it, no negotiations. Both jobs are very secure as well.
With the way that the job market is right now, they can replace you faster then you can say "Doh!". Just because they offer you a job doesn't mean you are the ONLY one they want...
Besides, that wasn't an option in the poll. You can take either job 1 or 2, that's it, no negotiations. Both jobs are very secure as well.
I've never NOT negotiated a job offer, and I've never had a job offer revoked because of it.
And if Job #2 is the type of company to pull an offer off the table simply because you're asking about options, then I'd say they're just a wolf in disquise and their culture is more like Job #1, so you might as well go there and make more money.
And as far as your tax comment goes....well, you contradicted yourself there as well.
Though I did get one HELL of a tax return!
Yes, the top $30K (or whatever) is taxed at a higher bracket...but the tax rate for the first $90K (or whatever) is at the same bracket as before. Your EFFECTIVE tax rate goes up a little, but its not like ALL of your income is suddenly taxed at a higher bracket.
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you don't get what you work for, or what you earn...you get what you negotiate. <---cheezy, but true.
I'd take the option not listed....because once you take either job, you'll NEVER be in the position you're in now AGAIN.
THEY WANT YOU....once you walk in on your first day of work....YOU'LL WANT....a raise....promotion....more vacation....etc...
SO, if jobs 1 and 2 really are that similar (in what you actually do), then tell Job 2 you'd really like to work for them for the above mentioned reasons.
But then state that you have a very similar offer for a significant amount more. Now, here's the catch...HOW you say this is very important. Don't come off like you won't take the job if they don't move...just explain (and be honest) that $30K is a LOT of money (it is afterall, right? there's nothing wrong with that, you won't come off as 'greedy'...hell, there are a lot people who would LOVE to make $30K/year out there), and in this economy, that's just not something you can over look.
You don't NEED to make $120K....but if they could 'somehow' close the gap, that would certainly make your decision much easier.
a lot of things are negotiable...so feel free to get creative (bonuses, ramped career path to get you to $120K, etc).
but think of this...$30K isn't chump change...that's $30K/YEAR...EVERY year.
so in 4 years, you would have left $120K on the table...for THE SAME WORK. I'll say it again....$120K in 4 years!! That's your kids college fund right there.
and like someone else said above...work is work. If you want to have fun at work and take whispy walks whenever you want, go be a park ranger (and make about $30K/year). If you want to make real money, buckle down, and play ball.
And a lot of people are saying they'd rather be happy and take less...what a load of crap...easy to say that when the situation isn't staring you in the face. If i had the option at my current job, to take either a $30K raise, OR the open corner office that's 15 feet from my cubicle right now (our Sr. VP Sales just got a new corner office on the next floor)...I'd take $30K any day of the week and twice on sunday.
In my experienced, the only people that get 'micromanaged' are the ones that need it. if you can't do a simple, easy-to-complete, high exec visibility TPO report....then you deserve to be micromanaged.
I'd take the option not listed....because once you take either job, you'll NEVER be in the position you're in now AGAIN.
THEY WANT YOU....once you walk in on your first day of work....YOU'LL WANT....a raise....promotion....more vacation....etc...
SO, if jobs 1 and 2 really are that similar (in what you actually do), then tell Job 2 you'd really like to work for them for the above mentioned reasons.
But then state that you have a very similar offer for a significant amount more. Now, here's the catch...HOW you say this is very important. Don't come off like you won't take the job if they don't move...just explain (and be honest) that $30K is a LOT of money (it is afterall, right? there's nothing wrong with that, you won't come off as 'greedy'...hell, there are a lot people who would LOVE to make $30K/year out there), and in this economy, that's just not something you can over look.
You don't NEED to make $120K....but if they could 'somehow' close the gap, that would certainly make your decision much easier.
a lot of things are negotiable...so feel free to get creative (bonuses, ramped career path to get you to $120K, etc).
but think of this...$30K isn't chump change...that's $30K/YEAR...EVERY year.
so in 4 years, you would have left $120K on the table...for THE SAME WORK. I'll say it again....$120K in 4 years!! That's your kids college fund right there.
and like someone else said above...work is work. If you want to have fun at work and take whispy walks whenever you want, go be a park ranger (and make about $30K/year). If you want to make real money, buckle down, and play ball.
And a lot of people are saying they'd rather be happy and take less...what a load of crap...easy to say that when the situation isn't staring you in the face. If i had the option at my current job, to take either a $30K raise, OR the open corner office that's 15 feet from my cubicle right now (our Sr. VP Sales just got a new corner office on the next floor)...I'd take $30K any day of the week and twice on sunday.
In my experienced, the only people that get 'micromanaged' are the ones that need it. if you can't do a simple, easy-to-complete, high exec visibility TPO report....then you deserve to be micromanaged.
Furthermore, you aren't signing your life away so at worst, if you can't stand a job, you can leave 6-12 months later (assuming you can find another job). In that first year, job #1 will have offered you a car's value more.
And as someone else mentioned, which one looks like the better job security? Will it last for 2 years for the economy to hopefully get out of the slump? A friend of mine (during the boom) was offered $15k more for a brain dead job at a startup vs a job with a big company doing something that would build his career. He chose the latter. FF 5 years and the startup went defunct and he has grown his career enough to leave the big co and is now earning 2x what he was when he started.
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