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Guilotine and rear naked chokes......been seeing them a lot lately. Do people not train to defend them or are people just getting that good at using them.
Used to be arm bars and kimoras. Maybe a triangle or something like that....now it's always rear naked choke and guilotine.
Used to be arm bars and kimoras. Maybe a triangle or something like that....now it's always rear naked choke and guilotine.
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i really dislike the rear naked choke and the guillotine...... i see it as a cheap move in my book. now the kimora, that i like 
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That's at least a year-old fight d00d. 
And let me tell you this from experience: the guillotine is really hard to lock in deep enough to choke a guy. It takes quite a bit of skill to lock it in deep enough to choke, so I wouldn't poo-poo the technique. Most guillotines that take like, 20 seconds to make the guy tap are more neck cranks than chokes. The really good guillotines put a guy away in a matter of seconds, sometimes before he can even tap.
Likewise, the rear naked choke is the simple technique awarded to the fighter who is skillful enough to take his opponent's back. If you give up your back, you deserve to be choked. It's that simple, and lots of smart fighters know that and will keep their opponents from doing that. So it takes skill to take someone's back, and I would even argue that some fighters have developed strong choke defense when their back is mounted (especially if they're wearing a gi!) so locking in a rear naked isn't as easy as it seems. So I wouldn't diss the rear naked choke either.
I could argue that a kimura is cheaper than the rear naked or the guillotine since the kimura can be applied from the closed guard, side mount, full mount, or even from the bottom of the half guard so long as your opponent has his stupid arm flapping the wind.
I think that at the end of the day, you can't really call any submission "cheap" just like you can't call any striking technique "cheap". Are knee strikes cheap because you're holding the guy's head and mashing his face with your knee? No, because think of all the crap you had to go through to get a good clinch on him. Is the right overhand cheap because it KO's dudes like it's nothing? No, because every haymaker is gamble: if you miss, you stand a good chance of getting KO'd yourself. That's just the nature of a fight: give and take.
And let me tell you this from experience: the guillotine is really hard to lock in deep enough to choke a guy. It takes quite a bit of skill to lock it in deep enough to choke, so I wouldn't poo-poo the technique. Most guillotines that take like, 20 seconds to make the guy tap are more neck cranks than chokes. The really good guillotines put a guy away in a matter of seconds, sometimes before he can even tap.
Likewise, the rear naked choke is the simple technique awarded to the fighter who is skillful enough to take his opponent's back. If you give up your back, you deserve to be choked. It's that simple, and lots of smart fighters know that and will keep their opponents from doing that. So it takes skill to take someone's back, and I would even argue that some fighters have developed strong choke defense when their back is mounted (especially if they're wearing a gi!) so locking in a rear naked isn't as easy as it seems. So I wouldn't diss the rear naked choke either.
I could argue that a kimura is cheaper than the rear naked or the guillotine since the kimura can be applied from the closed guard, side mount, full mount, or even from the bottom of the half guard so long as your opponent has his stupid arm flapping the wind.
I think that at the end of the day, you can't really call any submission "cheap" just like you can't call any striking technique "cheap". Are knee strikes cheap because you're holding the guy's head and mashing his face with your knee? No, because think of all the crap you had to go through to get a good clinch on him. Is the right overhand cheap because it KO's dudes like it's nothing? No, because every haymaker is gamble: if you miss, you stand a good chance of getting KO'd yourself. That's just the nature of a fight: give and take.
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well, i cant lie and say i dont see your point..
oh yeah, later on that night i realized it was the 12 best tapouts episode..... me=owned
oh yeah, later on that night i realized it was the 12 best tapouts episode..... me=owned
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