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Old Nov 20, 2007 | 10:49 PM
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Good deal on SeaFoam at Kragen

It's on sale this week for $5.99 but if you print out the 25% off coupon available here, it's only $4.50.
http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/mess...eyword1=kragen

I bought some to use on a high mileage Isuzu Trooper that I bought and apparently all of the Trooper forums says that the Trooper engine eats oil and leaves tons of deposits so SeaFoam is one of the highly recommended maintenance items to clean out the sludge/deposits, etc. I put it in the crankcase and drove around then changed the oil. It seems to run a little better but it could also just be the new oil. (BTW, a lot of people recommend running the Diesel truck oils (i.e. Shell Rotella T) b/c it has more detergents in it to clean the engine, any comment if this is good for our normal cars too?)

Anyone ever tried it on their WRX? I'd like to put some into my car but would like someone to show me how to do it properly (in person or visually). Any volunteers?
Old Nov 21, 2007 | 03:47 AM
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 06:59 AM
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Do Not Use Sea Foam In You Wrx!!! One Of My Motors Was Lost Due To Sea Foam!!!
Old Nov 21, 2007 | 07:15 AM
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Do Not Use Sea Foam In You Wrx!!! One Of My Motors Was Lost Due To Sea Foam!!!
What about Chevron Techron Concentrate or Chevron PRO-GARD?
Tia, I value your opinion..
Old Nov 21, 2007 | 07:41 AM
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Do Not Use Sea Foam In You Wrx!!! One Of My Motors Was Lost Due To Sea Foam!!!
SeaFoam is the exact same stuff as Subaru Top Mount cleaner which the dealerships try to charge hundreds of dollars for during tune-ups. I used it in my 02 WRX, 01 Sporttrac, and 94 Rodeo, all with positive results. Please give us some more details on how you used the product (mixed in gas, oil, vac line) and what the actual damage was.

For the OP, Seafoam is also the same stuff Isuzu dealerships use during tune-ups. I used to own a 94 Rodeo and paid for the "intake tract" cleaning at the 60K service only to find out it was simply a $5 can of Seafoam (and I doubt they used the whole can ).
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Originally Posted by Egan
SeaFoam is the exact same stuff as Subaru Top Mount cleaner which the dealerships try to charge hundreds of dollars for during tune-ups. I used it in my 02 WRX, 01 Sporttrac, and 94 Rodeo, all with positive results. Please give us some more details on how you used the product (mixed in gas, oil, vac line) and what the actual damage was.

For the OP, Seafoam is also the same stuff Isuzu dealerships use during tune-ups. I used to own a 94 Rodeo and paid for the "intake tract" cleaning at the 60K service only to find out it was simply a $5 can of Seafoam (and I doubt they used the whole can ).
The product was used through the vac line. I took a plastic hose clamp from our lab to control the suction. I too have used this stuff before, I figured it wouldn't be a problem. I kept the engine revs up, sucked the product through the intake manifold. the expected white smoke started showing up at the exhaust. I then shut it down for the soak. After 15min or so I went to fire it up... No go... I couldn't even tell if the engine was turning over. WTF. I put a mark on the Power steering pulley, cranked it again, still seemed as though there was nothing. I checked the pulley, sure enough it had changed position. Something was turning.... Nothing was starting. The following day I brought in the compression test kit ( why am I doing this to a brand new motor?). Hooked it up, turned the engine over, get this; 0 compression. Well that wasn't good... It gets worse, the same story on all four cylinders. This was unbelievable. I had Greg come out and pick it up and tow it to the shop. When they got it riped apart they found the the rings had siezed in the lands. They were frozen in place due to the amount of carbon that had imbedded into the ring lands. All four cylinders. This wasn't a fluke. It was the seafoam. The pistons were JE spec, completely coated (dish, skirts, rings, lands). I blame the seafoam. I will never use it again.
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The product was used through the vac line. I took a plastic hose clamp from our lab to control the suction. I too have used this stuff before, I figured it wouldn't be a problem. I kept the engine revs up, sucked the product through the intake manifold. the expected white smoke started showing up at the exhaust. I then shut it down for the soak. After 15min or so I went to fire it up... No go... I couldn't even tell if the engine was turning over. WTF. I put a mark on the Power steering pulley, cranked it again, still seemed as though there was nothing. I checked the pulley, sure enough it had changed position. Something was turning.... Nothing was starting. The following day I brought in the compression test kit ( why am I doing this to a brand new motor?). Hooked it up, turned the engine over, get this; 0 compression. Well that wasn't good... It gets worse, the same story on all four cylinders. This was unbelievable. I had Greg come out and pick it up and tow it to the shop. When they got it riped apart they found the the rings had siezed in the lands. They were frozen in place due to the amount of carbon that had imbedded into the ring lands. All four cylinders. This wasn't a fluke. It was the seafoam. The pistons were JE spec, completely coated (dish, skirts, rings, lands). I blame the seafoam. I will never use it again.
I have never in my life seen anything like the carnage witnessed in your shortblock from that incident.

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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 08:47 AM
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You had that much carbon buildup in a brand new engine?

I've never used the stuff.
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Previous to the that motor crapping out, there was a fairly major leak on the exhaust valve guide seal. We fixed that problem. There weren't any problems except lots of carbon in the exhaust path. My intent was to remove this carbon. The motor didn't even have 100miles on it.
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Ahhh, so perhaps it's a case of the seafoam working TOO well
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Originally Posted by Racenut
Ahhh, so perhaps it's a case of the seafoam working TOO well
Perhaps...
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Used as directed on the GF's Mercedes 300SD Turbo Diesel and it brought some life back to her car, it actually has a little get up and go now (you can actually tell there is a turbo charger on the car now!).

With that said I don't think I would try it on my Suby let alone a built motor with 100 miles...
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Originally Posted by STiYLIN

With that said I don't think I would try it on my Suby let alone a built motor with 100 miles...
Agreed, lessons learned. That's why I share my experiences. Take what you want from it . If I can Save one person from the mistakes I've made; I feel as though I am doing my part.
Old Nov 21, 2007 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by ipozestu
Agreed, lessons learned. That's why I share my experiences. Take what you want from it . If I can Save one person from the mistakes I've made; I feel as though I am doing my part.
I wasn't in any way saying you did the wrong thing, I just would be to scared to throw a $5 "miracle" bottle into my built motor. I am sorry that happened to you and thank you very much for sharing so someone else doesn't go through that same nightmare. Ouch
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Seafoam did 2 things to my car with ~45k miles on it at the time...smoothed out the idle, ****ed up the gas mileage

here was my conversation with the company via email:
  • me-"I'm debating using seafoam, but I've heard it might not be good for turbocharged engines"
  • them-"its completely safe for ALL engines! heres a list of its wonderful benefits" (typical product propaganda email, and it worked on me)

    so I did the seafoam and my idle did smooth out a little bit but my MPG dropped by 2 or 3 MPG's

  • me-"so I used the seafoam and my mileage seems to have gone down, why is that? I thought this stuff was completely safe"
  • them-"well you must have done something wrong"
  • me-"I did it per the extremely vague directions on the can"
  • them-"well there aren't many directions because it should be done by a shop that knows what they are doing"
  • me-"then why is it sold at AutoZone for everyone to buy instead of directly to shops? this stuff really doesn't work that well anyways'
  • them-"well is not magic in a can!"
  • me-"it isn't? (quoted original propaganda email)"
  • them-"stop emailing us"

they kept telling me I could return the unused product to the store, but I kept telling them it wasn't the $5 I cared about, it was the 30 to 45 miles per tank of gas I'll be missing each week. They never offered an explanation of how the product could have lowered MPG's, except that I must have done something wrong

bottom line, don't use seafoam! it has unpredictable results and the company doesn't care about the customers

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