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Old Jan 11, 2009 | 09:50 AM
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It's really simple to end the "slaughter" in the Gaza. Unfortunately, the people who are in charge of stopping it don't really want to, until they get world opinion/sympathy on their side.

The COWARDS who hide behind women and children, and shield themselves with the lives of the innocent as they launch rockets into another country, THEY are the people who could simply end this quickly. But no, they choose to continue their cowardice, and not fight like real men, so that the "martyrdom" of the innocent can (and will) continue in order to put world opinion against the Israelis.

If they stop launching their rockets, then there will be peace and an end to the killing and violence. Proof? What about looking in the recent past. Before they started their campaign of rocket launching over the border, there was peace, Israel had unilaterally removed themselves from Gaza, and Hamas was elected to govern the area. Nobody (relatively) was getting killed and maimed, and Israel certainly wasn't ordering unprovoked attacks.
I like your unilateral view, it's very enlightened. I know you're not going to read this and even if you did it would make no difference, but I'm going to try anyway...

Listen to yourself: What you're saying is that if the non-combatant citizens of Gaza want the attacks to stop, if the innocent men, women and children want to stop dying, people that they have no control over should stop fighting. It is a common tactic by regimes to target innocents and blame their opponents. The only people making the IDF kill innocent people is the IDF.

There are no sides in this battle, there is no clear good/bad guy. There is only death and bombings, and Qassam rockets that have killed 13 Israelis since 2001 does not justify the wholesale slaughter of close to 1,000 innocent citizens since January 1st--and this is only the most recent aggression by the IDF.

In my opinion it boils down to this: Should Hamas stop launching rockets? Yes. Are rocket attacks a valid justification for Israel killing innocent citizens with F-16s and bombs? No.

Here's some food for thought: with all the money Israel has spent on weapons, they could have posted sentries at known Hamas rocket launching locations and targeted the actual people responsible.

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Old Jan 11, 2009 | 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by saqwarrior
Our government gives billions every year to Israel, and that enables them to do what they are doing. In addition to money, we provide them with weapons; the F-16s that they are using to bomb Gaza were given to Israel by our government.

You should inform yourself better.
Do you actually think the people who are in charge of providing them with weapons are actually listening to the protestors?

inform YOURSELF better.

they are wasting their time. if they actually wanted something to happen, they would get into office and make a change, instead of just *****ing about someone else.
Old Jan 11, 2009 | 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by saqwarrior
Our government gives billions every year to Israel, and that enables them to do what they are doing. In addition to money, we provide them with weapons; the F-16s that they are using to bomb Gaza were given to Israel by our government.

You should inform yourself better.
I'm sorry that my years as us special ops has misinformed me about protestors. Know who you are talking to before insulting their intelligence.
Old Jan 11, 2009 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Roo
It's really simple to end the "slaughter" in the Gaza. Unfortunately, the people who are in charge of stopping it don't really want to, until they get world opinion/sympathy on their side.

The COWARDS who hide behind women and children, and shield themselves with the lives of the innocent as they launch rockets into another country, THEY are the people who could simply end this quickly. But no, they choose to continue their cowardice, and not fight like real men, so that the "martyrdom" of the innocent can (and will) continue in order to put world opinion against the Israelis.

If they stop launching their rockets, then there will be peace and an end to the killing and violence. Proof? What about looking in the recent past. Before they started their campaign of rocket launching over the border, there was peace, Israel had unilaterally removed themselves from Gaza, and Hamas was elected to govern the area. Nobody (relatively) was getting killed and
maimed, and Israel certainly wasn't ordering unprovoked attacks.
I love this explaination. It pertains to Iraq and the rest of the middle eastern conflicts.
Old Jan 11, 2009 | 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by saqwarrior
I like your unilateral view, it's very enlightened. I'm twice as old as you are, and remember when Anwar Sadat was Prime Minister in Egypt. They quit attacking Israel, and look at them now. Israel isn't attacking them, now are they?I know you're not going to read this and even if you did it would make no difference, but I'm going to try anyway...

Listen to yourself: What you're saying is that if the non-combatant citizensWRONG - I said COWARDS (Hamas militants using innocent women and children as shields) of Gaza want the attacks to stop, if the innocent men, women and children want to stop dying, people that they have no control over should stop fighting.Looks like YOU are the one incapable of READING AND COMPREHENDING. It is a common tactic by regimes to target innocents and blame their opponents. The only people making the IDF kill innocent people is the IDF.Israel isn't blaming anyone. They're upset by this tragic loss of innocent life - on BOTH sides. They're using the smartest weaponry available in order to take out the Hamas, with the LEAST amount of collateral damage. This includes satellites, and other intelligence to pinpoint where the rockets are launched from.

There are no sides in this battle, there is no clear good/bad guy. Sure there is. Hamas militants launching unprovoked attack (rockets) into Israel = bad guysThere is only death and bombings, and Qassam rockets that have killed 13 Israelis since 2001 does not justify the wholesale slaughter of close to 1,000 innocent citizens since January 1st--and this is only the most recent aggression by the IDF.That's because, thankfully, their weapons technology isn't as capable. They fire blindly and don't give a damn who they kill/injure with their weapons.

In my opinion it boils down to this: Should Hamas stop launching rockets? Yes. Are rocket attacks a valid justification for Israel killing innocent citizens with F-16s and bombs? No.

Here's some food for thought: with all the money Israel has spent on weapons, they could have posted sentries at known Hamas rocket launching locations and targeted the actual people responsible.
Posted Sentries? Oh, yeah. The Hamas is just going to stand by and tolerate that...and of course if the Israelis did that, they'd have to occupy Gaza - and I'm sure the protesters would march up in arms against THAT too.

Simple solution - Hamas quits firing rockets, or Israel eliminates Hamas.
Old Jan 11, 2009 | 12:13 PM
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I stopped reading your reply when I got to this:

Originally Posted by Roo
Looks like YOU are the one incapable of READING AND COMPREHENDING
I knew which "cowards" you were referring to. You are jumping to a conclusion about my understanding of what you wrote.

Despite being "twice [my] age," you're obviously incapable of having a reasonable conversation that does not resort to personal attacks. I'm sorry that my opinion differs from yours; perhaps some day you'll come to terms with the fact that not everyone thinks like you--although I doubt it, considering your age. I hope the rest of your weekend is a good one.
Old Jan 11, 2009 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by flatline
Do you actually think the people who are in charge of providing them with weapons are actually listening to the protestors?

inform YOURSELF better.

they are wasting their time. if they actually wanted something to happen, they would get into office and make a change, instead of just *****ing about someone else.
Oh, you mean protests are useless? ****, someone should have told the blacks that when they were protesting for civil rights. Oh wait--that's right, it did do something.

Maybe someone should have told the women that during the Suffra--oh wait...

Well at least someone should have told the people responsible for the Boston Tea Party... oh.

Old Jan 11, 2009 | 12:21 PM
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I'm sorry that my years as us special ops has misinformed me about protestors. Know who you are talking to before insulting their intelligence.
You asked what good it does to protest in the United States over something happening in Palestine. If your years in special ops was really so beneficial to your understanding of civics, sociology and politics, then you shouldn't have had to ask that question.
Old Jan 11, 2009 | 03:30 PM
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Oh, you mean protests are useless? ****, someone should have told the blacks that when they were protesting for civil rights. Oh wait--that's right, it did do something.

Maybe someone should have told the women that during the Suffra--oh wait...

Well at least someone should have told the people responsible for the Boston Tea Party... oh.

Before you someone else, take a look at the differences:

1. Blacks in THIS COUNTRY were protesting for their civil rights HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, not a country ~9,000 miles away.

2. Women were protesting for their right to vote HERE IN THIS COUNTRY, not a country on a different continent.

3. Boston Tea Party? I believe that was for protesting taxes from the King of England - not that we seem to have any relief from taxes anymore, so where did that get us?

Finish school, get the comparisons lined up equally, then come back and see us.
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hmm looks like a waste of a saturday
agree'd
Old Jan 11, 2009 | 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by saqwarrior
Listen to yourself: What you're saying is that if the non-combatant citizens of Gaza want the attacks to stop, if the innocent men, women and children want to stop dying, people that they have no control over should stop fighting.
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I knew which "cowards" you were referring to. You are jumping to a conclusion about my understanding of what you wrote.
In the above DIRECT QUOTE from your reply to me, it is readily apparent that you DO NOT have an understanding of which "cowards" I was referring to in my statement. If you HAD UNDERSTOOD, you wouldn't have mentioned the non-combatants at all, let alone say that I mentioned them as the responsible ones.

Originally Posted by saqwarrior
Despite being "twice [my] age," you're obviously incapable of having a reasonable conversation that does not resort to personal attacks. I'm sorry that my opinion differs from yours; perhaps some day you'll come to terms with the fact that not everyone thinks like you--although I doubt it, considering your age. I hope the rest of your weekend is a good one.
I'm definitely NOT incapable of having a reasonable conversation, and my observation about your comprehension of what I said has just been backed up with YOUR OWN WORDS quoted to you. Any English teacher who would read what I wrote, then read what you typed and tried to interpret that I said would agree that you did NOT comprehend the statement I made. Your words are a polar OPPOSITE of what I said, my intent, and my meaning.

Does my opinion differ? Yes. Do I concern myself with it, because your views differ from mine? No. Do I care if someone takes my words and tries to twist them to the opposite point of view than what I believe? Yes. That's where the issue lies. Don't make my words twist to fit your views. Our beliefs are different. The Hamas is another version of **** Germany. The religious sects who constantly act against the state of Israel act as another **** regime. Their goal, YES, it HAS been stated as their goal, is the elimination of Jews from the Earth, and the elimination of Israel as a state.

It seems as you'd prefer that. I personally don't.
Old Jan 12, 2009 | 02:46 PM
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I have not yet read any replies past what I wrote earlier, but I will say this:

Just because I am critical of Israel's bombing that does not mean that I support Hamas' violence against Israel.
Old Jan 12, 2009 | 02:57 PM
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I think we need to start worrying more about our own well being. I'm sorry it may sound selfish but whatever. We have been spending way to much time and money on other peoples ****.
Old Jan 12, 2009 | 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Roo
Before you someone else, take a look at the differences:

1. Blacks in THIS COUNTRY were protesting for their civil rights HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, not a country ~9,000 miles away.

2. Women were protesting for their right to vote HERE IN THIS COUNTRY, not a country on a different continent.
Your observations about protesting for things "HERE IN THIS COUNTRY" are valid, but if you had the reading comprehension that you accused me of lacking, you would have noticed that I already pointed out that people were protesting the U.S. government (which is "HERE IN THIS COUNTRY") providing money and weapons (a foreign aid policy "HERE IN THIS COUNTRY") to Israel.

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3. Boston Tea Party? I believe that was for protesting taxes from the King of England - not that we seem to have any relief from taxes anymore, so where did that get us?
Wrong. The Boston Tea Party was in response to the Tea Act of 1773, which favored the most powerful tea company in the world, the East India Company, by allowing them to bypass paying any fees in Britain, which enabled them to sell their teas much more cheaply than any of the other tea companies.

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Finish school, get the comparisons lined up equally, then come back and see us.
Right. I don't know how old you think I am, but maybe you should take a look at my profile and reevaluate your assumptions, bub.
Old Jan 12, 2009 | 03:07 PM
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I think we need to start worrying more about our own well being. I'm sorry it may sound selfish but whatever. We have been spending way to much time and money on other peoples ****.
Amen.

Let them ****ing die. Stop supporting Israel and other countries, and lets focus on building ourselves.



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