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I'm no super genius so maybe some of you I-clubbers can throw me a bone. That and i want to start another debate 
Gas has recently gone back up in the last week about .15 to .20 cents!? I'm paying ~$2.15/G for 91 which is damn close to what i paid early last year when OIF started.
Here's my question: If the War was about oil (like some of you say), then where in the hell are the lowered prices? There are none. The liberal left needs to get off of the mantra that the war was about oil. If it were about oil, we'd be paying a dollar a gallon. Such is not the case now, is it?
Eric
BTW: We have had control of the oil fields in Iraq for awhile now. Why can't the oil companies just drop the prices knowing they have more resources? kinda like a loan on oil?
Gas has recently gone back up in the last week about .15 to .20 cents!? I'm paying ~$2.15/G for 91 which is damn close to what i paid early last year when OIF started. Here's my question: If the War was about oil (like some of you say), then where in the hell are the lowered prices? There are none. The liberal left needs to get off of the mantra that the war was about oil. If it were about oil, we'd be paying a dollar a gallon. Such is not the case now, is it?
Eric
BTW: We have had control of the oil fields in Iraq for awhile now. Why can't the oil companies just drop the prices knowing they have more resources? kinda like a loan on oil?
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Originally posted by dr3d1zzl3
called inflated profits
called inflated profits
still doesn't justify the liberal motives of the war being solely based on oil.
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not all liberals said the war was based soley on oil.
nothing is ever that cut and dry, do i think it was a large reason for the war? Yupo, that and the money from the rebuilding effort. Not to mention seazing of all of saddams romance novels those are worth at least a few billion on ebay.
nothing is ever that cut and dry, do i think it was a large reason for the war? Yupo, that and the money from the rebuilding effort. Not to mention seazing of all of saddams romance novels those are worth at least a few billion on ebay.
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Originally posted by dr3d1zzl3
not all liberals said the war was based soley on oil.
nothing is ever that cut and dry, do i think it was a large reason for the war? Yupo, that and the money from the rebuilding effort. Not to mention seazing of all of saddams romance novels those are worth at least a few billion on ebay.
not all liberals said the war was based soley on oil.
nothing is ever that cut and dry, do i think it was a large reason for the war? Yupo, that and the money from the rebuilding effort. Not to mention seazing of all of saddams romance novels those are worth at least a few billion on ebay.
lolSo you're telling me that liberal bloodsucking scum wouldn't be preaching the fact "they told us so" if the gas prices were at $1.00 today!? I think not.
Seems they just deny everything in the end and jump on a different wagon to complain about something else. Then when things don't happen the way they assumed they hide under a rock and never mention it again.
every side who was ever wrong will deny and attempt to back track man 
basic human psychology at work!
I do think that the motives to wage full on war with iraq are numerous, some much more shadey then others of course. Over all my feelings are that we could have accomplished the same goals in the same amount of time with better HumInt in place and a few covert operations. With a helluva lot less blood shed. ANd if the **** realy hit the fan then we could have the option of a full on invasion. The way this war was waged was a botched blitzkrieg to get it all said and done before the next election cycle.
I think the war is semi just but 100% complete ****ed on execution
basic human psychology at work!I do think that the motives to wage full on war with iraq are numerous, some much more shadey then others of course. Over all my feelings are that we could have accomplished the same goals in the same amount of time with better HumInt in place and a few covert operations. With a helluva lot less blood shed. ANd if the **** realy hit the fan then we could have the option of a full on invasion. The way this war was waged was a botched blitzkrieg to get it all said and done before the next election cycle.
I think the war is semi just but 100% complete ****ed on execution
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Originally posted by the homo dr3d1zzl3
I do think that the motives to wage full on war with iraq are numerous, some much more shadey then others of course.
I think the war is semi just but 100% complete ****ed on execution
I do think that the motives to wage full on war with iraq are numerous, some much more shadey then others of course.
I think the war is semi just but 100% complete ****ed on execution
I have to hear this
fair nuff
motives were many, some of which the public will ever know im sure.
Possible motives include
Oil, Profits on reconstruction contracts, Creating another puppet goverment in the middle east, building up trust by secular muslims in iraq to put more pressure on iran to do what ever we desire or want that that point in time, ego trippin on saddam vs bush sr, bush sr manipulating his extremely intelligent son into doing his bidding for him, keeping the us public busy with a war, war time economy status, the ability to create and foster an enviroment of fear doubt and uncertantity, the ability to pass draconian laws by the public and congress due to the last mentioned reason (FUD), **** man i can keep going on and on.
With the creation of a proper HumINT network in IRAQ (not an easy task given the way iraq's political structure was structured) you could have had a few covert teams with simple laser desginators stake out a few locations where saddam could have been thought to be. Once u get confirmation by a defector and or other source fire a cruise missle from the gulf, or better yet you could even "pose" the operation as a secualir muslim group attacking and killing saddam for political /idealist reasons. Furhtur strengthening what ever cause this fake/puppet sect had wanted (be it a more moderate tone towards the us, or a more aggressive tone towards IRAN). This group of course would have been working with cia nad others, to fund and coardinate their objectives with ours. Meaning cultivate and create a group that would see eye to eye with us, and then we give them the tools and money to do our bidding and get them the power and freedom they wanted in the first place.
Ideal canidated would be people who were victimized on a minimal scale by saddams regime, as well as majority memebers of the local islamic sects. All canidates should be of moderate integrity (they need to be able to be bribed and manipulated to a certain extent by us, so honest people need not apply). Moderate intlligence, and lots of charisma.
Sound about right i know i am missing some things but this is all just theory at this point.
motives were many, some of which the public will ever know im sure.
Possible motives include
Oil, Profits on reconstruction contracts, Creating another puppet goverment in the middle east, building up trust by secular muslims in iraq to put more pressure on iran to do what ever we desire or want that that point in time, ego trippin on saddam vs bush sr, bush sr manipulating his extremely intelligent son into doing his bidding for him, keeping the us public busy with a war, war time economy status, the ability to create and foster an enviroment of fear doubt and uncertantity, the ability to pass draconian laws by the public and congress due to the last mentioned reason (FUD), **** man i can keep going on and on.
With the creation of a proper HumINT network in IRAQ (not an easy task given the way iraq's political structure was structured) you could have had a few covert teams with simple laser desginators stake out a few locations where saddam could have been thought to be. Once u get confirmation by a defector and or other source fire a cruise missle from the gulf, or better yet you could even "pose" the operation as a secualir muslim group attacking and killing saddam for political /idealist reasons. Furhtur strengthening what ever cause this fake/puppet sect had wanted (be it a more moderate tone towards the us, or a more aggressive tone towards IRAN). This group of course would have been working with cia nad others, to fund and coardinate their objectives with ours. Meaning cultivate and create a group that would see eye to eye with us, and then we give them the tools and money to do our bidding and get them the power and freedom they wanted in the first place.
Ideal canidated would be people who were victimized on a minimal scale by saddams regime, as well as majority memebers of the local islamic sects. All canidates should be of moderate integrity (they need to be able to be bribed and manipulated to a certain extent by us, so honest people need not apply). Moderate intlligence, and lots of charisma.
Sound about right i know i am missing some things but this is all just theory at this point.
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Re: Gas Prices
Ha haa!
The war IS about oil, and IS about having a military foothold in the Middle-East, especially with the recent loss of our bases in Saudi.
So you thought that gas prices would drop???
That's pure comedy...when the big oil companies pay less for oil, they don't pass the savings on to the people, they make GREATER PROFITS!!!
Mass production and big business are #1 in the USA, everything else is baggage!
LOL
(BTW, invading afghanistan allowed us to ensure construction of an oil pipeline through there and avoid building it in iran)
The war IS about oil, and IS about having a military foothold in the Middle-East, especially with the recent loss of our bases in Saudi.
So you thought that gas prices would drop???
That's pure comedy...when the big oil companies pay less for oil, they don't pass the savings on to the people, they make GREATER PROFITS!!!
Mass production and big business are #1 in the USA, everything else is baggage!
LOL
(BTW, invading afghanistan allowed us to ensure construction of an oil pipeline through there and avoid building it in iran)
Originally posted by Sisqocqk
Here's my question: If the War was about oil (like some of you say), then where in the hell are the lowered prices? There are none. The liberal left needs to get off of the mantra that the war was about oil. If it were about oil, we'd be paying a dollar a gallon. Such is not the case now, is it?
Eric
BTW: We have had control of the oil fields in Iraq for awhile now. Why can't the oil companies just drop the prices knowing they have more resources? kinda like a loan on oil?
Here's my question: If the War was about oil (like some of you say), then where in the hell are the lowered prices? There are none. The liberal left needs to get off of the mantra that the war was about oil. If it were about oil, we'd be paying a dollar a gallon. Such is not the case now, is it?
Eric
BTW: We have had control of the oil fields in Iraq for awhile now. Why can't the oil companies just drop the prices knowing they have more resources? kinda like a loan on oil?
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Originally posted by dr3d1zzl3
fair nuff
motives were many, some of which the public will ever know im sure.
Possible motives include
Oil, Profits on reconstruction contracts, Creating another puppet goverment in the middle east, building up trust by secular muslims in iraq to put more pressure on iran to do what ever we desire or want that that point in time, ego trippin on saddam vs bush sr, bush sr manipulating his extremely intelligent son into doing his bidding for him, keeping the us public busy with a war, war time economy status, the ability to create and foster an enviroment of fear doubt and uncertantity, the ability to pass draconian laws by the public and congress due to the last mentioned reason (FUD), **** man i can keep going on and on.
fair nuff
motives were many, some of which the public will ever know im sure.
Possible motives include
Oil, Profits on reconstruction contracts, Creating another puppet goverment in the middle east, building up trust by secular muslims in iraq to put more pressure on iran to do what ever we desire or want that that point in time, ego trippin on saddam vs bush sr, bush sr manipulating his extremely intelligent son into doing his bidding for him, keeping the us public busy with a war, war time economy status, the ability to create and foster an enviroment of fear doubt and uncertantity, the ability to pass draconian laws by the public and congress due to the last mentioned reason (FUD), **** man i can keep going on and on.
Originally posted by dr3d1zzl3
With the creation of a proper HumINT network in IRAQ (not an easy task given the way iraq's political structure was structured) you could have had a few covert teams with simple laser desginators stake out a few locations where saddam could have been thought to be. Once u get confirmation by a defector and or other source fire a cruise missle from the gulf, or better yet you could even "pose" the operation as a secualir muslim group attacking and killing saddam for political /idealist reasons. Furhtur strengthening what ever cause this fake/puppet sect had wanted (be it a more moderate tone towards the us, or a more aggressive tone towards IRAN). This group of course would have been working with cia nad others, to fund and coardinate their objectives with ours. Meaning cultivate and create a group that would see eye to eye with us, and then we give them the tools and money to do our bidding and get them the power and freedom they wanted in the first place.
With the creation of a proper HumINT network in IRAQ (not an easy task given the way iraq's political structure was structured) you could have had a few covert teams with simple laser desginators stake out a few locations where saddam could have been thought to be. Once u get confirmation by a defector and or other source fire a cruise missle from the gulf, or better yet you could even "pose" the operation as a secualir muslim group attacking and killing saddam for political /idealist reasons. Furhtur strengthening what ever cause this fake/puppet sect had wanted (be it a more moderate tone towards the us, or a more aggressive tone towards IRAN). This group of course would have been working with cia nad others, to fund and coardinate their objectives with ours. Meaning cultivate and create a group that would see eye to eye with us, and then we give them the tools and money to do our bidding and get them the power and freedom they wanted in the first place.
Originally posted by dr3d1zzl3
Ideal canidated would be people who were victimized on a minimal scale by saddams regime, as well as majority memebers of the local islamic sects. All canidates should be of moderate integrity (they need to be able to be bribed and manipulated to a certain extent by us, so honest people need not apply). Moderate intlligence, and lots of charisma.
Sound about right i know i am missing some things but this is all just theory at this point.
Ideal canidated would be people who were victimized on a minimal scale by saddams regime, as well as majority memebers of the local islamic sects. All canidates should be of moderate integrity (they need to be able to be bribed and manipulated to a certain extent by us, so honest people need not apply). Moderate intlligence, and lots of charisma.
Sound about right i know i am missing some things but this is all just theory at this point.
LOL Seriously, You have some good ideas for the most part. We've talked about this before an i believe you're on the right track. However, we're still paying $2.00+ a gallon! When's the maddess going to end Dre?
Eric