Euthanasia (what is an ethic defensible decision)
Originally posted by REXYBoi
I dont have good aim so i will need more bullets.
But why does that give me the right to say he has to die? Who gives me those rights? Does the law apply to everything? If he was mentally ill why he want me to kill him? Or does he know what he was saying at that point in time?
I dont have good aim so i will need more bullets.
But why does that give me the right to say he has to die? Who gives me those rights? Does the law apply to everything? If he was mentally ill why he want me to kill him? Or does he know what he was saying at that point in time?
Last edited by odyss3y; Feb 4, 2004 at 10:13 AM.
The Oath of Hippocrates
I SWEAR by Apollo the physician, and Aesculapius, and Health, and All-heal, and all the gods and goddesses, that, according to my ability and judgment, I will keep this Oath and this stipulation to reckon him who taught me this Art equally dear to me as my parents, to share my substance with him, and relieve his necessities if required; to look upon his offspring in the same footing as my own brothers, and to teach them this art, if they shall wish to learn it, without fee or stipulation; and that by precept, lecture, and every other mode of instruction, I will impart a knowledge of the Art to my own sons, and those of my teachers, and to disciples bound by a stipulation and oath according to the law of medicine, but to none others. I will follow that system of regimen which, according to my ability and judgment, I consider for the benefit of my patients, and abstain from whatever is deleterious and mischievous. I will give no deadly medicine to any one if asked, nor suggest any such counsel; and in like manner I will not give to a woman a pessary to produce abortion. With purity and with holiness I will pass my life and practice my Art. I will not cut persons laboring under the stone, but will leave this to be done by men who are practitioners of this work. Into whatever houses I enter, I will go into them for the benefit of the sick, and will abstain from every voluntary act of mischief and corruption; and, further from the seduction of females or males, of freemen and slaves. Whatever, in connection with my professional practice or not, in connection with it, I see or hear, in the life of men, which ought not to be spoken of abroad, I will not divulge, as reckoning that all such should be kept secret. While I continue to keep this Oath unviolated, may it be granted to me to enjoy life and the practice of the art, respected by all men, in all times! But should I trespass and violate this Oath, may the reverse be my lot!
I SWEAR by Apollo the physician, and Aesculapius, and Health, and All-heal, and all the gods and goddesses, that, according to my ability and judgment, I will keep this Oath and this stipulation to reckon him who taught me this Art equally dear to me as my parents, to share my substance with him, and relieve his necessities if required; to look upon his offspring in the same footing as my own brothers, and to teach them this art, if they shall wish to learn it, without fee or stipulation; and that by precept, lecture, and every other mode of instruction, I will impart a knowledge of the Art to my own sons, and those of my teachers, and to disciples bound by a stipulation and oath according to the law of medicine, but to none others. I will follow that system of regimen which, according to my ability and judgment, I consider for the benefit of my patients, and abstain from whatever is deleterious and mischievous. I will give no deadly medicine to any one if asked, nor suggest any such counsel; and in like manner I will not give to a woman a pessary to produce abortion. With purity and with holiness I will pass my life and practice my Art. I will not cut persons laboring under the stone, but will leave this to be done by men who are practitioners of this work. Into whatever houses I enter, I will go into them for the benefit of the sick, and will abstain from every voluntary act of mischief and corruption; and, further from the seduction of females or males, of freemen and slaves. Whatever, in connection with my professional practice or not, in connection with it, I see or hear, in the life of men, which ought not to be spoken of abroad, I will not divulge, as reckoning that all such should be kept secret. While I continue to keep this Oath unviolated, may it be granted to me to enjoy life and the practice of the art, respected by all men, in all times! But should I trespass and violate this Oath, may the reverse be my lot!
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you can't comit suicide because your family would suffer the loss, however, you could kill youself if you had no family because nobody would care. If your actions have a more dramatic affect in the "big picture" then it shouldn't be done on an ethical level. A doctor can't personally kill you because it would still be suicide and your family would suffer the loss once again. You could have your family pull the plug on you because they've all agreed on it, therefore they have already accepted your loss so it's okay. etc etc.
this topic has too many angles to cover.
i always take the utilitarianism approach for this debate.. seems to make sense to me:
http://www.utilitarianism.com/utilitarianism.html
eric
this topic has too many angles to cover.
i always take the utilitarianism approach for this debate.. seems to make sense to me:
http://www.utilitarianism.com/utilitarianism.html
eric
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so why wouldnt it be okay for doctors to kill you if you wanted to kill yourself?
what if a DNR directive was put in place?
Should i (the doctor "Mr. Hoang") kill you ( odyss3y )
then, if you had a DNR directive in writing?
So your saying i should ask my assistant (Zoeb) if i can kill you or not?
Should I kill him Zoeb? What do you think?
what if a DNR directive was put in place?
Should i (the doctor "Mr. Hoang") kill you ( odyss3y )
then, if you had a DNR directive in writing?
So your saying i should ask my assistant (Zoeb) if i can kill you or not?
Should I kill him Zoeb? What do you think?
Last edited by REXYBoi; Feb 3, 2004 at 02:11 PM.
Originally posted by REXYBoi
so why wouldnt it be okay for doctors to kill you if you wanted to kill yourself?
what if a DNR directive was put in place?
Should i (the doctor "Mr. Hoang") kill you ( odyss3y )
then, if you had a DNR directive in writing?
So your saying i should ask my assistant (Zoeb) if i can kill you or not?
Should I kill him Zoeb? What do you think?
so why wouldnt it be okay for doctors to kill you if you wanted to kill yourself?
what if a DNR directive was put in place?
Should i (the doctor "Mr. Hoang") kill you ( odyss3y )
then, if you had a DNR directive in writing?
So your saying i should ask my assistant (Zoeb) if i can kill you or not?
Should I kill him Zoeb? What do you think?
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Thank you Sisqocqk. I have also taken the utilitarian angle. But then again you can also apply this to the virtue methodology.
Perfect post, With support.
Thanks man.
P.S. this post is not meant in any way to harm anybody or anything. I was just giving od3ss3y a scenario. so i can get support for his statement he made. and in no way intend to hurt him. nor do i own a gun.
Perfect post, With support.
Thanks man.
P.S. this post is not meant in any way to harm anybody or anything. I was just giving od3ss3y a scenario. so i can get support for his statement he made. and in no way intend to hurt him. nor do i own a gun.
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Originally posted by REXYBoi
so why wouldnt it be okay for doctors to kill you if you wanted to kill yourself?
what if a DNR directive was put in place?
Should i (the doctor "Mr. Hoang") kill you ( odyss3y )
then, if you had a DNR directive in writing?
so why wouldnt it be okay for doctors to kill you if you wanted to kill yourself?
what if a DNR directive was put in place?
Should i (the doctor "Mr. Hoang") kill you ( odyss3y )
then, if you had a DNR directive in writing?
EDIT: then pick the theory you like the most and fly with it man!
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I just filled out a survey from the Death with Dignity Alliance. The quote below is from their letter. This is basically how I feel as well, we should have a right to a peaceful painless death. Suicide is a different thing altogether. So your question about whether or not mentally ill people should have the right end their life (suicide) is easy enough to answer. No. These people are not dying (I know, I know, we're all dying...). But terminally ill people who are in pain, or a vegetative state or whatever the circumstances may be, should.
"Some people in our society think that the individual has no basic right to a humane and compassionate death. They say the law is the law. Do you agree or disagree?
Other individuals, like attorney General John Ashcroft, say that under no circumstances should physicians be allowed to advise or assist a patient in seeking a painless death. Do you agree or disagree?
Please understand that these questions do not relate to so-called "assisted suicide," because the word suicide refers to a life that could go on - it means something violent and desperate - something done in isolation and fear, leaving a devastated family behind."
"Some people in our society think that the individual has no basic right to a humane and compassionate death. They say the law is the law. Do you agree or disagree?
Other individuals, like attorney General John Ashcroft, say that under no circumstances should physicians be allowed to advise or assist a patient in seeking a painless death. Do you agree or disagree?
Please understand that these questions do not relate to so-called "assisted suicide," because the word suicide refers to a life that could go on - it means something violent and desperate - something done in isolation and fear, leaving a devastated family behind."
if its a difference between a painfully sure death and a painless sure death. People should be given the option of the painless route. There is no need for suffering if there is another option. People whos fate is signed allready should have the option to fight it or be laid to rest. That is a very humane way of euthansia, as far as people not wanting to cope with an illness, or life in general stop being a ***** sac up and fight. But there are cases where nothing can be done but to wait, in those cases if the wait is painful for the patient it is most likely even more painful for hte family and all those connected to it. In those cases i think it should be just to be able to relenquish a persons suffering.
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Personally, I don't agree with it, but...IT IS NOT MURDER. Due to my personal religious beliefs, I do not condone it, but if somebody wants to due humanely, I have no problem with DAS...it is not murder...not at all...in any way shape or form.