Shiv VS long time customer

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...2&page=5&pp=25

 

yeah a carry over from the EVOm thread after his brothers motor blew

 

that guy needs to chill. he was the one who told shiv to make an aggressive tune and then he goes to the track on r compounds and expects nothing to break. If he expected vishnu to cover the car he should have at least had some signed agreement before hand. Just sounds like the guy is trying to get an extra buck out of the situation.

 

It looks like the guy didn't have a big problem with the fact that his engine blew, but with shiv's attitude (Which wouldn't be the first time).

The guy also didn't want this posted all over the subaru forum (nudge nudge), since he wanted to keep the drama over on the evo site.

But thats all I'm going to say cause I don't want to spread incorrect rumors

 

Yea but if that was the case why wouldn't you get some sort of signed contract saying that he needs to help pay for the new motor. If my motor happens to go after shiv tunes my car i'm not going to look for him to pay for it.

 

i hate drama

 

is MARKGSTI the same person as MARKSTI on here?

the guy with the first (after pcowan's alpha car) Vishnu Stage 2/+ car????

damn gone so quick??!!?!?!?!

oh man, the drauma/////

 

Yeah, same MarkSTI. He was the first one with stage 2+ STi that I know of.

I can see his point though, if I am asking my tuner to bring it to the edge - which I don't do. I would mean the edge of being able to drive my car home, not over the edge where if I drive my car anyplace it will blow the engine.

My biggest problem here is that I'm uncertain what went wrong - in the early posts they talked about throwing a rod - I don't know how the tuner would be responsible for that one. On another post someone talked about "spinning" a bearing. This is also a shortcomming of the engine and not the tuner IMHO. Several people have mentioned "blown the engine" which could be a tuner failure, but it could also mean many other things to me.

I would say if Shiv tuned the engine so it had knock, I don't care what a customer says, you can't tune the engine to have knock, that's just asking to have an engine failure.

If it is a spun bearing then I'm not sure how that has anything to do with the tuner except that he is offering repair monies to the owner. Which I don't understand unless he thinks he is partly responsible(?)

Does anyone know what the exact engine failure was? It's been a couple of months now....

 

I don't know where you read that but by all accounts, it spun a bearing. On 125 octrane race gas, knock was not an issue. Also, Mark was not our first or even the second Stg 2 car. He was just the first avid drag racer to have a Stg 2. It was also our first request to run 30psi and a no-holds-barred tune at his insistance.

shiv
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Gl500

 

Ive spoken with Mark in detail about all of this, the car is being sent to a tuner out of the bay area to avoid any potential crosstown drama. It will be torn down there to see the exact cause. Excessive det can beat the hell out of a rod bearing, the only other possibiltiy is extreme lack of oil to the point of pressure loss but thats seems far more unlikely, but again no one will know for certain until the teardown what is exactly wrong so no point in speculating.

 

I have read a number of posts were people have spun a bearing. Most notably RiftsWRX. He has done this several times IIRC. I am pretty certain he at least wasn't aware of any knocking.

I have another question, what exactly does "excessive det" mean? I have had det on my car that was clearly audible, is that excessive det? Or is it low, non audible, det that never stops?

I ask to understand better, I have had very serious loud det on my car this past winter, though my engine seems to have survived.

 

After giving this a little thought, I agree Det could certainly have caused a rod bearing to spin. Det would put excessive stress on it....it could even be on the first knock event.

It would seem it is also possible for a bearing to spin if the engine is winding too fast or as Kirkinov said before a lack of lubrication. An already worn bearing would also be at a greater threat to spinning. Cooling could be another issue.

I guess the only question I have for S hiv is how close did he tune the car to det?

 

On 118-125octane fuel, detonation isn't a concern. Power loads are the things that are going to get you.
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HERBAL GRINDER

 

I didn't request 30 #'s, i think the car was runnin around 27#'s or so,
I did ask Shiv to "Push IT"..
Let the drama please stay on Nasioc..or EVOM.
If anybody wants to read up in full/comment of this please do it over there.
L8tr guys
Mark

 

Hey Mark,

Out of pure curiosity, why don't you want to discuss this here?

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My take on this is that if you ask a tuner to push it, it is all fair games. Typically, tuners tune cars to what THEY feel is safe. (By typically, I imply that there are tuner whose understanding of safe is far from real world safe...) That means, that if they PUSH it, it is not as safe as they WANT it to be. Why would he take that risk and let you drag race a car that he does not feel 100% safe about? Simple logic, nothing more. He gave you what you asked for.

Also, if a rod bearing spun, it could be caused by a million of different reasons. And to try to examine the motor trying to ID what caused the engine falirue is silly at this point.

For example, they find signs of detonation. How can you tell if the detonation occured before or after "PUSH IT" tune? We all know that STi's pinged even STOCK. Also, with a very low redline and huge bore, in my opinion, 2.5L STi's are not suitted for hardcore drag racing every week. And, with 6MT and having to shift so many times, you could have just over-revved it. And, even if it did detonate, you must have your ears on the alert at all times. Finally, no one knows what gas you used.

Not pointing any fingers. Just trying to show that at this point, this will lead to nothing.

All in all, this is how I see it...

You play you pay.