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There are so many dimensions to this argument. I completely stand by my statement of the issue not being black and white. I provided some insight into why it isn't black and white. I told you a little bit about the issue that many people have with Israel because not many people want to talk about that issue. It is sort of taboo.
My goal/hope was to get some of you to think about the issue more in depth. Hopefully from an angle that you haven't thought or heard of.
In the end, you can find a ton of arguments from both sides that are valid and invalid, but it seems to me that the US media loves to paint Israel as the golden child.
My goal/hope was to get some of you to think about the issue more in depth. Hopefully from an angle that you haven't thought or heard of.
In the end, you can find a ton of arguments from both sides that are valid and invalid, but it seems to me that the US media loves to paint Israel as the golden child.
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Yes, let's place these Jewish Europeans in the most hostile place we can find...
I personally do not acknowledge Israel (and Panama) as a country.
I personally do not acknowledge Israel (and Panama) as a country.
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If you really want to understand the Middle East as it is today read up on the Sykes-Picot Agreement and the Balfour Declaration. They are the reason things are the way they are today.
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With that said, I am intelligent enough to be able to stand back and say, "You know what, I don't agree with everything Israel is doing. I don't think they should be getting way with some of their policies that BREAK their treaties." If you cannot recognize that, maybe you should do a little more research instead of painting me as an anti-Semite, Hitler lover.
I don't want to see the harm of Israeli's (or other Jewish communities) just as I don't want to hear about Christian, Muslim and Athiest Palestinians being denied food and medical supplies coming into their country for Israeli security purposes.
Am I Anti-American for thinking our foreign policies have created most of our current problems? Not at all. I love America. But we have some serious foreign policy issues that negatively affected Americans and many other nationalities.
Am I an anti-Semite for recognizing that Israel has done some ****ed up **** to innocent Palestinians, which in turn has done nothing but pissed them off? NOT AT ALL! I can recognize their faults in a logically.
I take issue with extreme Zionist thinking, just has I have a problem with extremist Neo-Conservative politics AND neo-**** socialists. That doesn't make me racist, anti-semite or unAmerican.
If anything, that means that I am able to grapple with reality better than both of you.
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I was simply trying to state that the issue isn't just because of religious issues stemming from thousands of years ago. Maybe that the last 100 years have been the catalyst for the current problem.
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As far as I know, Palestine had nothing to do with the Holocaust, so if anything, the UN should have set aside a chunk of Germany for an Israeli state.
As far as I know, Palestine had nothing to do with the Holocaust, so if anything, the UN should have set aside a chunk of Germany for an Israeli state.
The only thing this goes to show is how crazy the real world is, we in suburban USA just don't have a clue how good we have it when criminals, even powerful ones get put to justice.
It's not just Israel. This stuff happens in damn near every country outside the US and Western Europe.
It's a crazy, dog eat dog world out there and stuff like this only saddens me how much some people (seems like a lot in BAIC) complain about America being unjust or unfair, and have no clue about what REAL unjust or unfair situations look like
It's not just Israel. This stuff happens in damn near every country outside the US and Western Europe.
It's a crazy, dog eat dog world out there and stuff like this only saddens me how much some people (seems like a lot in BAIC) complain about America being unjust or unfair, and have no clue about what REAL unjust or unfair situations look like
I am FAR from being some neo-**** anti-Semite. I detest racism and become enraged by neo-****'s. By enraged, I mean that I have been in brawls against neo-****'s, spilling my own blood because of my hatred for their ignorance.
With that said, I am intelligent enough to be able to stand back and say....blah blah blah blah...etc...
With that said, I am intelligent enough to be able to stand back and say....blah blah blah blah...etc...
Before you lecture us all on how you know all about how the world works try showing someone like Paul at DB who has actually served his country some respect.
Jesus, kids these days
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Good job spilling your blood for your cause, we're all seriously impressed toughguy...let me guess...you're in your early 20's and still live at home?
Before you lecture us all on how you know all about how the world works try showing someone like Paul at DB who has actually served his country some respect.
Jesus, kids these days
Before you lecture us all on how you know all about how the world works try showing someone like Paul at DB who has actually served his country some respect.
Jesus, kids these days
I would NEVER compare myself to any military personnel and I am not trying to be a tough guy. I provided an anecdote from my life to provide a defense to Paul's anti-Semitic comment against me. Have you even read the conversation? Does it look like I am running around i-Club threatening people and telling people I will beat them up? Not at all.
If anything, I was pretty damn respectful with my comment. I definitely challenged Paul's intelligence on the matter since he didn't provide any substance to the conversation. I would do that to anyone.
You should try taking your head out of your *** and adding something of value to the conversation.
BTW you don't know anything about me so lets leave the judgements at a minimum.
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