$3.07/gal Redwood City Propel tonight!

are there any e85 stations within SF itself? or do I have to drive all the way to outter richmond?

[QUOTE="w0ng3r"]are there any e85 stations within SF itself? or do I have to drive all the way to outter richmond?[/QUOTE]

Redwood city is the closet station south and Oakland is the closet station north of SF. They actually have some type ofne85 station in he city but is not accessible to the public. Its for then city busses and cars or something.

[QUOTE=PROcede;3329929]Redwood city is the closet station south and Oakland is the closet station north of SF. They actually have some type ofne85 station in he city but is not accessible to the public. Its for then city busses and cars or something.[/QUOTE]

>< the one thing holding me back from getting E85 tuned, well, that and the price of a pro tune :laugh: I'm just too paranoid about running out of gas!

thats why you get both e85 and 91

[QUOTE=bkblitzed;3329939]thats why you get both e85 and 91[/QUOTE]

But wouldn't you have to run the tank down before filling it up with the other type? sorry I'm kinda noob on e85

[QUOTE="w0ng3r"]

But wouldn't you have to run the tank down before filling it up with the other type? sorry I'm kinda noob on e85[/QUOTE]

That's exactly what you do. I just recently went back to e85 after having to use 91 for a short time. Just get the tank to almost nothing and drive easy for the next two fill ups of e85 and you should be good.

[QUOTE=PROcede;3329945]That's exactly what you do. I just recently went back to e85 after having to use 91 for a short time. Just get the tank to almost nothing and drive easy for the next two fill ups of e85 and you should be good.[/QUOTE]

noted :)

[QUOTE=chochocho;3326539]sorry, i meant more than one near 680 freeway.

haha, i drive by and see the sunol gas station daily.[/QUOTE]

No we got nothing right now. As you stated though you drive by the station in Sunol every day, so theres your answer get gas there.

For me the nearest E85 is a 40 mile round trip drive outta my way, so I dont know if I am going to do E-85 Debating between that and Meth inj.

[QUOTE=Shayhan27;3330000]No we got nothing right now. As you stated though you drive by the station in Sunol every day, so theres your answer get gas there.

For me the nearest E85 is a 40 mile round trip drive outta my way, so I dont know if I am going to do E-85 Debating between that and Meth inj.[/QUOTE]

It is entirely up to you on this matter. Personally I would go E85 over meth any day. BTW, I'm not sure if you guys heard about certain E85 stations creating sludge on the injectors from some of the EVO guys. But apparently the guy was pumping at a Pearson E85 station in San Jose or something. There have been no reports about Propel stations with this issue, so far it's just Pearson. Just a heads up!

[QUOTE=strider327;3330006]It is entirely up to you on this matter. Personally I would go E85 over meth any day. BTW, I'm not sure if you guys heard about certain E85 stations creating sludge on the injectors from some of the EVO guys. But apparently the guy was pumping at a Pearson E85 station in San Jose or something. There have been no reports about Propel stations with this issue, so far it's just Pearson. Just a heads up![/QUOTE]

I have heard about this sludge issue but heard that it can be casued by residual 91 oct in the tank, and that it can be casued by components in the fuel system breaking down.

I know it is a little easier for the EVO guys to switch between tunes I.E. literally just flipping a switch for open source guys so he may be going back and fourth alot hence causing the sludge.

As far as E-85 for me I am leaning heavily towards it but it is just not going to be as convienient for me.

If I go E-85 I will buy a good zetronix system so that I can switch between E-85 and 91 if I have to and know how what the e-85 percentage and quality in my tank is.

[QUOTE=w0ng3r;3329942]But wouldn't you have to run the tank down before filling it up with the other type? sorry I'm kinda noob on e85[/QUOTE]

Open loop fueling maps adjusts itself based on the closed loop trims.

So you drive around out of boost a while for the ECU to realize how much fuel it needs to add or take away from it's usual mix, then the map is adjusted for you.

The octane is so high for the stock compression ratio that you don't need full E85 to support the timing map for the E85 map, so running a little gas is okay on a partial tank. The loss of octane won't kill you.

On the other end, switching from E85 to 91, since the octane is higher, it'll definitely support the 91 octane map, so no issues at all outside of the fueling.

I've done this OS for a couple EVOs, but no Subarus (except my own, which has been on E85 exclusively for almost 2 years now, I don't really go back and forth.) It's no big deal to be going back and forth, and it's actually pretty safe as long as you have a laptop with you and don't have too much in the tank when you switch.

[QUOTE=PROcede;3329929]Redwood city is the closet station south and Oakland is the closet station north of SF. They actually have some type ofne85 station in he city but is not accessible to the public. Its for then city busses and cars or something.[/QUOTE]

Oakland is East of SF... ;)

There is also the Berkeley station on 7th and University.

[QUOTE=Concillian;3330041]Open loop fueling maps adjusts itself based on the closed loop trims.

So you drive around out of boost a while for the ECU to realize how much fuel it needs to add or take away from it's usual mix, then the map is adjusted for you.

The octane is so high for the stock compression ratio that you don't need full E85 to support the timing map for the E85 map, so running a little gas is okay on a partial tank. The loss of octane won't kill you.

[B]On the other end, switching from E85 to 91, since the octane is higher, it'll definitely support the 91 octane map, so no issues at all outside of the fueling.[/B]

I've done this OS for a couple EVOs, but no Subarus (except my own, which has been on E85 exclusively for almost 2 years now, I don't really go back and forth.) It's no big deal to be going back and forth, and it's actually pretty safe as long as you have a laptop with you and don't have too much in the tank when you switch.[/QUOTE]

I always thought that would mean it's more prone to knocking?

$3.05 redwood city today!!