Customer "Project 2009 Sleeper" 506whp Stock Location Turbo
 

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Amazing results on one of our customers big builds we've done, this car we have deemed "Project 2009 Sleeper". The final tune was done today using COBB Tuning's Speed Density and these results are still using a stock location turbo....check it out!

[B]CA91 18/20psi Graph[/B]

[img]http://www.licmotorsports.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/big-watermark/Larum%20Pump-%2018,20.jpg[/img]

CA91 Octane Results:

18psi- 402whp / 355wtg
20psi- 412whp / 370wtq



[B]C23 Race Fuel 20/23/26psi Graph[/B]

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C23 Race Fuel Results:

20psi- 433whp / 384wtq
23psi- 472whp / 421wtq
26psi- 506whp / 447wtq



[B]CA91 vs. C23 Graph[/B]

[img]http://www.licmotorsports.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/big-watermark/Larum%20PumpvsC23.1.jpg[/img]


CA91 vs. C23 Results:

20psi- 412whp / 370wtq
26psi- 506whp / 447wtq


Complete build and pics of this car: [url=http://www.licmotorsports.com/projects/project-2009-sleeper]Project 2009 Sleeper | LIC Motorsports[/url]

Can also see more info on our FB page: [url=http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.419962329539.207390.215407604539&type=3]Customer- Blake | Facebook[/url]


-Noah

Oh wow!!! Awesome build guys!

Musta smelt great to run c23 too :)

Beast.

Nice !

I want the brakes, please.

[QUOTE=importfanatic17;3203555]I want the brakes, please.[/QUOTE]

its a custom set we did for him and using the old skool Brembo logos. You can see a few of the custom kits we've done in our webstore, i.e. WRB colored ones as well. This is also same brake kit we use on our Time Attack STi.

its available on our website: [url=http://www.licmotorsports.com/products/brembo-gran-turismo-6-piston-front-350x34mm-bbk-04-sti_lic-3n28004a]Brembo Gran Turismo 6 Piston Front 350x34mm BBK (04+ STi) Subaru LIC 3N2.8004A | Buy Online from LIC Motorsports[/url]

click drop down box as an option. this car also has matching rears ;)


-Noah

sweeet

Sounds scary..you guys tune cars now?

Awesome Build..

[QUOTE=CaliSuby;3203605]Sounds scary..you guys tune cars now?[/QUOTE]

Judging by the dyno graph, it went to Cobb tuning surgeline in PDX.

[QUOTE=CaliSuby;3203605]Sounds scary..you guys tune cars now?[/QUOTE]

We utilize COBB Tuning Surgeline up in Portland, OR for tuning services.


-Noah

[QUOTE=jdblock;3203551]Beast.[/QUOTE]

Agreed!

Pretty sweet for stock location turbo [U][B]NOT[/B][/U] running e85 to get these kind of gains. Shoot even more impressive is look at the CA91 numbers its putting down.

On CA91 it did:

15psi- 373whp [B]<--[/B] this is wastegate pressure (thats roughly 150whp over what stock does at same psi on same fuel)
18psi- 402whp
20psi- 412whp


-Noah

[QUOTE=LICmotorsports;3204182]Agreed!

Pretty sweet for stock location turbo [U][B]NOT[/B][/U] running e85 to get these kind of gains. Shoot even more impressive is look at the CA91 numbers its putting down.

On CA91 it did:

15psi- 373whp [B]<--[/B] this is wastegate pressure (thats roughly 150whp over what stock does at same psi on same fuel)
18psi- 402whp
20psi- 412whp


-Noah[/QUOTE]

Nice build, Cobbs dyno reads on the higher side? Like to see that on Mikes Dyno.......

[QUOTE=SeaOfGreen;3204195]Nice build, Cobbs dyno reads on the higher side? Like to see that on Mikes Dyno.......[/QUOTE]

Oh man, here come's the dyno debate, LOL.

Yes they all read differently but not sure that means Mike's dyno is more accurate or that COBB's isn't and/or vise versa. They are merely a tool to look at difference's in gains.


-Noah

regardless of dyno debate if you pull up to this car you better tighten your wood screws!!!!!! cause its gonna blow your doors cleannnnnnnn off!

Imagine seeing this on the road, wouldn't think anything of it. Even a friendly pull would blow my mind haha

Nice, any idea what a stock sti puts down on that dyno? Also, what turbo?

[QUOTE=LICmotorsports;3204182]Agreed!

Pretty sweet for stock location turbo [U][B]NOT[/B][/U] running e85 to get these kind of gains. Shoot even more impressive is look at the CA91 numbers its putting down.

On CA91 it did:

15psi- 373whp [B]<--[/B] this is wastegate pressure (thats roughly 150whp over what stock does at same psi on same fuel)
18psi- 402whp
20psi- 412whp


-Noah[/QUOTE]

Your TA heads really flow well. Wish I was making 412hp when I hit 20psi.

[QUOTE=subie OCD;3204412]Nice, any idea what a stock sti puts down on that dyno? Also, what turbo?[/QUOTE]

I would guess 150 less hp than the 15psi numbers posted above. So roughly 225.

Click the link in the first post to see the build information.

Looking through COBB's dyno database for Surgeline Tuning, it shows stock to be about 233whp on 92 Octane. 92 vs. 91 is about the same, minus a few % for 91, call it 225whp ish


-Noah

[QUOTE=LICmotorsports;3204182]Agreed!

Pretty sweet for stock location turbo [U][B]NOT[/B][/U] running e85 to get these kind of gains. Shoot even more impressive is look at the CA91 numbers its putting down.

On CA91 it did:

15psi- 373whp [B]<--[/B] this is wastegate pressure (thats roughly 150whp over what stock does at same psi on same fuel)
18psi- 402whp
20psi- 412whp


-Noah[/QUOTE]

this made me smile

[QUOTE=LICmotorsports;3204453]Looking through COBB's dyno database for Surgeline Tuning, it shows stock to be about 233whp on 92 Octane. 92 vs. 91 is about the same, minus a few % for 91, call it 225whp ish


-Noah[/QUOTE]

Nice results Noah! Is this car running stock cams?

BTW, is that 225whp for a stock 08+ STI or 04-07?

Thanks
-- Ed

[QUOTE=EQ Tuning;3204650]Nice results Noah! Is this car running stock cams?

BTW, is that 225whp for a stock 08+ STI or 04-07?

Thanks
-- Ed[/QUOTE]

This car is running our TA edition heads: [url=http://www.licmotorsports.com/products/lic-motorsports-ta-heads-w-cams-dual-avcs-08-sti_lic-ta-heads-08-sti]LIC Motorsports TA Heads w/ Cams Dual AVCS (08+ STi) Subaru LIC TA Heads 08+ STi | Buy Online from LIC Motorsports[/url]


That 233whp on 92 Octane was on a 2008 STi, found another 2009 STi at 243whp for all stock as well and again on 92 octane (according to there dyno database on COBB's site)


-Noah

Ah that makes sense. 08+ STI's do 195-205whp stock on our dyno.

Since the car has cams why not rev it out higher?

Thanks
-- Ed

It needs more airflow to keep revving out, stock location turbos can only flow so much and at this higher pressure its at its limitations for the most part. A Cossie manifold would help but its not worth affecting the spool up for what it would gain up top.

195whp? damn I think you take the cake for lowest reading dyno now...ha ha!


-Noah

[QUOTE=LICmotorsports;3204219]Oh man, here come's the dyno debate, LOL.

Yes they all read differently but not sure that means Mike's dyno is more accurate or that COBB's isn't and/or vise versa. They are merely a tool to look at difference's in gains.


-Noah[/QUOTE]


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[QUOTE=LICmotorsports;3204776]It needs more airflow to keep revving out, stock location turbos can only flow so much and at this higher pressure its at its limitations for the most part. A Cossie manifold would help but its not worth affecting the spool up for what it would gain up top.

195whp? damn I think you take the cake for lowest reading dyno now...ha ha!


-Noah[/QUOTE]


The 08+ STI's just make less power stock. 04-07 STI's do 215-225whp here but I haven't seen a single 08+ break 205whp stock. Funny thing is that 09+ WRX's do about 215-225whp stock!

As far as airflow up top, I'm kind of surprised to hear that. Power isn't dropping off at all and not even really leveling out at 7k on those graphs. That means that the turbo still has some breathing room and could likely carry the power out to at least 7500RPM assuming the head/cam package can support the flow... which it looks like it can.

Thanks
-- Ed

[QUOTE=EQ Tuning;3204811]The 08+ STI's just make less power stock. 04-07 STI's do 215-225whp here but I haven't seen a single 08+ break 205whp stock. Funny thing is that 09+ WRX's do about 215-225whp stock!

As far as airflow up top, I'm kind of surprised to hear that. Power isn't dropping off at all and not even really leveling out at 7k on those graphs. That means that the turbo still has some breathing room and could likely carry the power out to at least 7500RPM assuming the head/cam package can support the flow... which it looks like it can.

Thanks
-- Ed[/QUOTE]

COBB always tells us how killer our head package is so I know its not that, these are also the exact same heads used on our own race car and we go to 8500-8700 RPMS no issues (but not same scenario but they flow just fine none the less). I know the Injectors are starting to max out, so I'm sure its an additional limiting factor for where its at.

No need to rev higher and stress it anymore than it is, as its only going to have marginal gains (if any from its current setup). Stock locations have a choking point and this is darn near it on its given setup.


-Noah

[QUOTE=LICmotorsports;3204813]COBB always tells us how killer our head package is so I know its not that, these are also the exact same heads used on our own race car and we go to 8500-8700 RPMS no issues (but not same scenario but they flow just fine none the less). I know the Injectors are starting to max out, so I'm sure its an additional limiting factor for where its at.

No need to rev higher and stress it anymore than it is, as its only going to have marginal gains (if any from its current setup). Stock locations have a choking point and this is darn near it on its given setup.


-Noah[/QUOTE]

Yep, I'm sure the heads can flow up there no problem. Running out of injector makes sense as to keeping it at 7k RPM.

Thanks
-- Ed

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Amazing results on one of our customers big builds we've done, this car we have deemed "Project 2009 Sleeper". The final tune was done today using COBB Tuning's Speed Density and these results are still using a stock location turbo....check it out!

[B]CA91 18/20psi Graph[/B]

[img]http://www.licmotorsports.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/big-watermark/Larum%20Pump-%2018,20.jpg[/img]

CA91 Octane Results:

18psi- 402whp / 355wtg
20psi- 412whp / 370wtq



[B]C23 Race Fuel 20/23/26psi Graph[/B]

[img]http://www.licmotorsports.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/big-watermark/Larum%20C23-%2020,23,26.jpg[/img]

C23 Race Fuel Results:

20psi- 433whp / 384wtq
23psi- 472whp / 421wtq
26psi- 506whp / 447wtq



[B]CA91 vs. C23 Graph[/B]

[img]http://www.licmotorsports.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/big-watermark/Larum%20PumpvsC23.1.jpg[/img]


CA91 vs. C23 Results:

20psi- 412whp / 370wtq
26psi- 506whp / 447wtq


Complete build and pics of this car: [url=http://www.licmotorsports.com/projects/project-2009-sleeper]Project 2009 Sleeper | LIC Motorsports[/url]

Can also see more info on our FB page: [url=http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.419962329539.207390.215407604539&type=3]Customer- Blake | Facebook[/url]


-Noah[/QUOTE]

Wow I looked at the build sheet, talk about zero to hero! Love how understated the whole thing is until you delve into the nuts and bolts of it. I bet the owner loves that C23 high boost map :D

[QUOTE=GST Motorsports;3204852]Wow I looked at the build sheet, talk about zero to hero! Love how understated the whole thing is until you delve into the nuts and bolts of it. I bet the owner loves that C23 high boost map :D[/QUOTE]

He said people ask him all that time if anything is done to the car...which is exactly what we were all going for (just another car with not much to look at from the outside).

He advised me today that he took his two buddies one who owns a GT-R and the other has a CTS-V....said they were impressed and scared all at the same time. LOL.

The nice thing about this particular setup is you still have the fairly lightweight vehicle that a Subaru is, compared to other "higher end" makes, this car carries just about as much power and at min 600-800 lbs less than the other two bada** cars listed.

All that matters to me is that the customer is happy and he likes what he paid for and ultimately got what he wanted.

Thanks for the kind words on the build!


-Noah

[QUOTE=nation;3204518]this made me smile[/QUOTE]

In a good way?

This car sounds AMAZING! The Milltek exhaust we use keeps it nice and subtle for cruising at low RPM's around town. Once you hunker down on it, it really opens up and sounds amazing. And of course with the EWG its like tossing squirrels through the turbo (always a nice noise to hear) :p

-Noah

[QUOTE=SeaOfGreen;3204195]Nice build, Cobbs dyno reads on the higher side? Like to see that on Mikes Dyno.......[/QUOTE]

I would offer to conduct a dyno baseline for LIC/Their customer but honestly I think that would not only be in poor taste but somewhat insulting.

Everyone knows no two dyno's read the same so there is little point to it.

As with anything the main point of concern is the car is running well and the customer is happy with the net end results whatever they may be which I would hazard a guess he is.

[QUOTE=GST Motorsports;3205167]I would offer to conduct a dyno baseline for LIC/Their customer but honestly I think that would not only be in poor taste but somewhat insulting.

Everyone knows no two dyno's read the same so there is little point to it.

As with anything the main point of concern is the car is running well and the customer is happy with the net end results whatever they may be which I would hazard a guess he is.[/QUOTE]

Only reason I was asking because most dyno's read on the higher side and Cobbs dyno always runs high numbers on ever setup that I have looked at. Big difference between 425whp and 500whp on a dyno, that's almost 100hp difference. You know if you put down 500whp on your dyno it's a beast!

[QUOTE=SeaOfGreen;3205201]Only reason I was asking because most dyno's read on the higher side and Cobbs dyno always runs high numbers on ever setup that I have looked at. Big difference between 425whp and 500whp on a dyno, that's almost 100hp difference. You know if you put down 500whp on your dyno it's a beast![/QUOTE]

I wouldn't even care to speculate, as I said as long as the owner is happy and he has what he wanted from his build etc that's the main point.

FWIW I just dyno'd a 2011 STI 15 minutes ago stock, it made 0.0018WHP!!!

*Edit **** I just realized I forgot to plug the dyno power in!

I can haZ tEh l0w3st readinz dyn0 y0!

Didn't Moike, Noah, and Paul pull out the ruler and compare dicks, err, I mean dyno configurations, a while ago? I vaguely recall a discussion on this before... (BAM maybe?)

[QUOTE=irrational x;3205233]Didn't Moike, Noah, and Paul pull out the ruler and compare dicks, err, I mean dyno configurations, a while ago? I vaguely recall a discussion on this before... (BAM maybe?)[/QUOTE]

Yea mine was lower (as in hung lower) so therefore I am teh biggarist!

That being said for obvious reasons we concluded during the debate that Noah's dyno read by far the lowest of the three!

[QUOTE=GST Motorsports;3205238]That being said for obvious reasons we concluded during the debate that Noah's dyno read by far the lowest of the three![/QUOTE]

agreed! LOL

-Noah

[QUOTE=SeaOfGreen;3204195]Nice build, Cobbs dyno reads on the higher side? Like to see that on Mikes Dyno.......[/QUOTE]

How hard is it to type with gst mikes balls in your mouth?
You always seem to talk smack on everyones build. I would like to see what your car is all about.
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That's a nice build. And a undercover for sure. I wish mine was a sleeper now days. Hell I wish I could drive it on the street at this point.

My only thought is I'm now glad to have my FullRace / 2 stroke set up. That car seems to have a lot of lag. But I know its gotta be a hell of a lot of fun to drive. I hope he replaced or is going to replace the wheel studs.

Nice job, Always quality work from LIC.

[QUOTE=old.guy;3205271]How hard is it to type with gst mikes balls in your mouth?
You always seem to talk smack on everyones build. I would like to see what your car is all about.
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That's a nice build. And a undercover for sure. I wish mine was a sleeper now days. Hell I wish I could drive it on the street at this point.

My only thought is I'm now glad to have my FullRace / 2 stroke set up. That car seems to have a lot of lag. But I know its gotta be a hell of a lot of fun to drive. I hope he replaced or is going to replace the wheel studs.

Nice job, Always quality work from LIC.[/QUOTE]


LOL, I almost upchucked my water I was drinking!

For sure rotated is the way to go on a bigger build like this but simply put the customer wanted a sleeper daily driver and not a cluster fu*k in the engine bay like so many rotated setups become (and for what its worth, he wasn't always going for a 500whp #, as the build progressed and he made more and more power he well...got addicted, and wanted to push the setup a bit further). But from the get go he was always wanting to stick with a stock location turbo and push its limits given his setup.

In regards to the wheel studs, the wheel/tire combo isn't aggressive by any means so I'm not concerned from that stand point but the side loads this car does see could for sure be of an issue if there was to have an issue. I just have yet to see any issues with stock studs even under severe/harsh conditions and I'm speaking from our own personal experience, not what the web has to offer...I'm sure someone has a horror story for just about anything, we commonly find wheel studs over torqued/stretched which is where 99% of the problems would result from. The nice thing about this car/customer is it also gets beat on too, its not just easily driven around...customer loves it and thrashes on it.

There seems to be this fine line on unassuming street setup to balls deep into a massive track build. This guy who owns the car just isn't a guy who wants to strip it, cage it, and get into it like that...so he accepts some side effects of the stock location setup in lieu of making the power more easily and less streetable.

*I agree on how others on the forums always smack talk builds, not saying it has or hasn't been done in this thread but its exactly why I typically don't bother on this forum or others...just not into the whole: this car sucks b/c of the dyno, or I dislike that tuner, that shop sucks, or that for whatever reason forum folks just have a hard on for making people's lives more difficult all in the name of being someone to the "online community". Quite honestly, I could care less what anyone thinks of us, this or that build, etc...I simply posted this b/c I thought folks might like to see something different than the norm that seems to be on these forums as of lately. But as always, to each's own!

Thanks for the kind words on the quality of our work Michael!


-Noah

[QUOTE=LICmotorsports;3205298]
we commonly find wheel studs over torqued/stretched which is where 99% of the problems would result from. The nice thing about this car/customer is it also gets beat on too, its not just easily driven around...customer loves it and thrashes on it.
-Noah[/QUOTE]

The over torque is a huge problem, as lots of people go to the cheaper tire places that work off speed, time and air impacts. And I was also worried about the heat the car makes under braking. Big power/Speed + big brakes = more heat.

I replaced mine after I blew up the 6spd at Willow. I knew that those had seen better days. And since the gearbox was being replaced and the LSD's were also being swapped out it was just smart to replace mine. Piece of mind, But maybe I am paranoid.

[QUOTE=old.guy;3205305]The over torque is a huge problem, as lots of people go to the cheaper tire places that work off speed, time and air impacts. And I was also worried about the heat the car makes under braking. Big power/Speed + big brakes = more heat.

I replaced mine after I blew up the 6spd at Willow. I knew that those had seen better days. And since the gearbox was being replaced and the LSD's were also being swapped out it was just smart to replace mine. Piece of mind, But maybe I am paranoid.[/QUOTE]

I cringe every time I hear the local shops around us air impacting lug nuts on....torque stick or not, just makes zero sense to me.


-Noah

[QUOTE=old.guy;3205271]How hard is it to type with gst mikes balls in your mouth?
[/QUOTE]

Fairly easy, he wrote down what he wanted typing so I typed it for him.

[QUOTE=GST Motorsports;3205340]Fairly easy, he wrote down what he wanted typing so I typed it for him.[/QUOTE]

ahh ha ha...nice!


-Noah

I want that motor in my car!

What would you say was the limit of the tmic before he switched to a front mount?

[QUOTE=MonsterGC;3206069]I want that motor in my car!

What would you say was the limit of the tmic before he switched to a front mount?[/QUOTE]

Most tuners will advise that 19-20psi is max limit of most any TMIC...we stick to this same rule of thumb as well. Its about efficiency and at higher pressures a off the shelf TMIC can't do that.


-Noah