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Old 07-01-2008, 10:46 AM
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California to legalize Marijuana?

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Source http://laist.com/2008/06/30/californ..._for_eve_1.php



There is an initiative in the works that could end up on the November ballot that allows for marijuana to be sold to anyone, and anywhere that already sells alcohol. Its being called The Inalienable Rights Enforcement Initiative. From the full text of the measure:

This initiative will amend the Constitution of California to defend and safeguard the inalienable rights of the People against infringement by governments and corporations, providing for the lawful growth, sale, and possession of marijuana. Marijuana will be taxed through a system of stamps and licenses--a $5 stamp will be required for the sale of an eighth ounce of marijuana and a $50 annual license will be required for the growth of one marijuana plant. To protect participants and encourage participation in the system, such licenses and stamps will be available anonymously in stores where marijuana is sold.

So instead of getting some quack doctor to give you a prescription for $100 because of your supposed "anxiety" or alleged "insomnia", you will just pay an extra tax each time you buy yourself another 8th.

Aside from allowing all willing adults to be able to buy weed easily, this initiative will start to generate revenue for California, and stimulate our struggling economy. More weed stores means more jobs for Californians, more taxes to be collected, and more people enjoying better weed. And finally marijuana will be put into the same file as Alcohol and Cigarettes where it belongs, instead of it being equated with crack-cocaine and heroine.

The initiative goes on to say why they believe this to be a necessary measure:

We also hold these truths to be self-evident-That, as an intoxicant, marijuana is far less harmful to the health and safety of the People than alcohol--That, as a smoking substance, marijuana is far less addictive or harmful to the health of the People than tobacco--That, even though alcohol is harmful to the health and safety of the People, the prohibition of alcohol from 1920 to 1933 only increased the harms associated with alcohol use: criminals seized control of the alcohol market, crime and violence increased greatly, and poverty, unemployment, and corruption flourished, while otherwise lawful alcohol drinkers were treated as "criminals" subject to detention, arrest, and incarceration, even though they had not harmed the rights of anyone--That, as with alcohol prohibition, the prohibition of marijuana has only increased the harms associated with the use of marijuana: criminals control a multi-billion dollar market, crime and violence have increased greatly, and poverty, unemployment, and corruption flourish, while otherwise law-abiding marijuana smokers are treated as "criminals" subject to detention, arrest, and incarceration, even though they have not harmed the rights of anyone-That the history of marijuana prohibition is a history of repeated injuries and infringements upon the inalienable rights, powers, and best interests of the People.

**** Yes! Preach on, brothers! They go on to point out that alcohol, tobacco, and big-pharma lobbyists have the politicians that are supposed to represent the People in their back-pockets and serving the interests of the alcohol, tobacco, and big-pharma industries.

Despite the harms of marijuana prohibition, politicians persist in imposing and upholding marijuana prohibition, because these politicians are not working for the People--they are working for the corporate executives who financed their campaigns, such as corporate executives in the alcohol industry who want to protect their monopoly on intoxication, corporate executives in the tobacco industry who want to protect their monopoly on smoking, corporate executives in the pharmaceutical industry who want to protect their monopoly on expensive medicines, and corporate executives in the many industries threatened by competition with hemp. These corporate executives pull the strings of the government to perpetuate marijuana prohibition despite its harms, because they do not care about the inalienable rights and best interests of the People--they care about taking as much money from the People as possible. These corporate executives also use their control of the mainstream media to make it seem like marijuana prohibition is a failed attempt to serve the interests of the People, censoring the idea that marijuana prohibition is a successful attempt to serve corporate interests at the expense of the People. For these corporate interests, politicians sacrifice the inalienable rights and best interests of the People. This corruption and corporate influence is worse at the national level, where the People can least afford political influence and the media is most effective at manipulating public debate. Because of this corruption, it is futile for the People to turn to the federal government for protection--because the federal government is the source of the harm. The repeated attempts by the People to reduce the harms of marijuana prohibition have been answered only by repeated injury. The harm from marijuana prohibition is ongoing and the need for relief is urgent. Such is the suffering of the People, and such is the necessity that constrains us to alter our former systems of government. A government with a character marked by every act that defines a tyrant is unfit to be the ruler of a free people. Therefore, appealing to humankind for the rightness of our intentions

They need 694,354 signatures by September, 5, 2008. I think it's totally do-able. Its been over a decade since Proposition 215, the Compassionate Use Act of 1996, was passed with over 5 million votes in favor.

So 12 years later... are we more or less tolerant of recreational use of marijuana? For now, we'll have to wait and see.


Cliff notes: Ca: legalize and tax maryjane
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Old 07-01-2008, 10:50 AM
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Hm... I don't know if this is going to make marijuana more expensive or less expensive...

Anyways, thought I'm for it, this will NOT pass, especially amongst the active voters. And all the stoners will probably forget its voting day... ROFL j/k
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I've never smoked marijuana.

But I have always said that they should legalize it, and tax the hell out of it.

Someone must have heard me
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ya it wont pass..
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Originally Posted by chinoyboi
Hm... I don't know if this is going to make marijuana more expensive or less expensive...

Anyways, thought I'm for it, this will NOT pass, especially amongst the active voters. And all the stoners will probably forget its voting day... ROFL j/k
Very likely it would be cheaper. Greater supply.

Even if it did pass, it wouldn't likely get past a SCOTUS challenge.
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that would be awesome if it passed, then i could ride my dirtbike without fear of getting shot at passing thru random dope trails
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Prop 215 is more then enough, only those that claim they need it should have it. Yes it would be nice to not have to worry about it and pay a fair price and generate revenue. Federal Law will prevail and therefore you will be technically breaking the law even if Ca. says it is legal. It may or may not pass, I do not care either way. I have my Medical Card so I am set, so yeah.

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marijuana does work as pain relief and such and its been proven.
if they really focus on people that really needs it as medication, it'll work but the problem is, the 90% people that wants it legalized and protest are just plain stoners.

its safer than drinking in a way, i dont see why it shouldnt be legalized.

i watched a documentry which i forgot what it was called but its pretty much all republicans against it saying it makes people stupid and does brain damage but i say, "those people" are stupid to begin with, weed did not make them stupid. "in weed we trust" i think it was called.
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Originally Posted by jinorazi
marijuana does work as pain relief and such and its been proven.
if they really focus on people that really needs it as medication, it'll work but the problem is, the 90% people that wants it legalized and protest are just plain stoners.

its safer than drinking in a way, i dont see why it shouldnt be legalized.

i watched a documentry which i forgot what it was called but its pretty much all republicans against it saying it makes people stupid and does brain damage but i say, "those people" are stupid to begin with, weed did not make them stupid. "in weed we trust" i think it was called.
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STONER!!!!!!! Lol, jk!!!!! I agree that it is safer then alky. Top Gear or Fifth Gear did a test on it where a guy smoked a joint then took a driving test, also one before he smoked a joint. The guy drove better while under the influence of pot, lol!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by East Bay STI
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STONER!!!!!!! Lol, jk!!!!! I agree that it is safer then alky. Top Gear or Fifth Gear did a test on it where a guy smoked a joint then took a driving test, also one before he smoked a joint. The guy drove better while under the influence of pot, lol!!!!!!

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i'm a stoner yes but i dont be stupid about it.
i like to mess around in my car but i never ever do it when iam high.
i actually find myself driving slower when influenced, i go 40 on 45 and 60 on the freeway without even trying.
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lol...
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whats wrong with the law how it is now? you cant get in trouble for possession as long as its not packaged in 100 little baggies as if youre a dealer right?

Then again i live in Santa Cruz, so i think we have looser restrictions from what i hear.
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I don't think "legalizing" is the answer. I think DECRIMINALIZING is the answer.

Like canada. You get fines for having X amount. No arrests except for large obviously distributors. So say you get caught with an 8th. You get a $35 citation.

I think the problem with making it 100% legal lies in what do you do with all those people sitting in jail on MJ charges? How do you tell one person you can go free and another they're stuck there for another 6 years.

MJ charges have been an issue in this country for the last 30 years. Cluttering up prisons with people that don't need to be there. Not making money in it. The prejudice against it has put a stop to all beneficial uses that could be made of actually having crops of non smoking canibus. Paper. Gas. Presboard/plywood. Clothes. Renewing soil in crops used for other things. Etc.

I think its about damn time someone does something.


Kyle. Its WAY different in SC. SC like many other cities have just been told to turn the other way unless its an obvious dealer situation like that dude with the warehouse a couple months ago. But the real problem is that we're not profiting on it.

That's been the issue for quite a while. How to control it and profit on it.

Until we change something its just COSTING tax payer dollars.
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