Firstly, I am not fighting a battle. I am answering your questions to the best of my ability. I am not trying to convert or prove you wrong. If I believe that I had to prove you wrong to be right, then I would not believe that what I believed held the authority to be true on it's own. I would have to believe that only through being able to prove you wrong would it be validated and that's not the case

It's not about having a counter. It's about having answers. Have you addressed my four yet?

The Bible is God's word to all human beings. It was written by human authors, under the supernatural inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

The Bible has been translated for modern language so that we can read it. The original scriptures from antiquity, which we have tons of, help us to confirm the accuracy of the various world languages of the today. The Bible today is extremely accurate with regards to the original circulating copies in Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic.

The Romans also "didn't" have record of the census which forced everyone to return to their place of birth when Mary and Joseph had to. It was thought to be an inaccurate account because they would "never" do require such a thing. However, years later it was done again and records have been found to confirm it. There is plenty of proof, the Bible being the best source.

There is much history about the world that is recorded in the Bible which is found written no where else, does that mean it isn't true? Not to someone who believes the Bible and has faith that it is the Word of God.

It is unlikely that any amount of worldly evidence could "convert" someone who didn't want to see God in creation. Only God can win people's hearts, not men.

Links to your Hindu claims please. Plus what makes you believe the Hindus and not the Jews even if it were true?

 

to many scientists evolution is considered FACT and also considered theory. its not "just a theory".

 

No, as it says it the scripture I cited you are created in God's image and likeness. If you were made a God then the scripture would say that you were made a God

In order to be consistent, one using your "I am not sinful because I don't believe in sin" logic would have to agree that they could not get sick or die if they did not believe in sickness or death...

Does that make logical sense? Just because I can't see my brain doesn't mean that it's not there.

 

I am not making that implication. I am saying that if you believe in a world without God, then the foundational elements upon which your belief system depends must have answers which do not include God. That's straight forward.

I did not say that the Bible is true because man doesn't have the answers to the first four questions. I was merely asking for the answers.

The Bible is true because it is God's Word, not because it's a default when man can't prove an alternate theory. Which means that I was not implying .

 

How is it that you know that Christ did not exist?

 

Evolution is not scientific fact though. If it were it would be reproducible, testable, and measurable. It is a world view which depends on faith in it, just like Christianity.

Evolution goes against what we see in nature. We loose information over time, we do not gain new information. The fact that information exists at hinders the idea of evolution. Intelligence is the only thing that gives birth to information. No natural process gives birth to information, such as that found in DNA.

 

Over time we LOSE information. Evolution requires that we GAIN information to evolve from primordial soup into human beings.

The traits that allow some to survive and not others are a result of adaptation, not molecules-to-man evolution.

i.e. Through adaptation, genes are taken out for short haired dogs in cold environments resulting in long haired dogs which once had the trait for long, medium, and short hair, but no longer do because only the long haired genes survived... a loss of genetic information. For molecules to become soup, fish, frogs, monkeys, then man there needs to be a vast gain in genetic information, not a loss.

 

You're right. What does that tell us about their inability to differentiate fact from fiction?

A scientific fact is something that can be reproduced, tested, and measured. If it can't fulfill those requirements, then it is not fact. Rather, it is philosophy... biological mythology.

It does not matter what some scientists believe is fact, if indeed it is not fact. Just because we believe something, it does not make it so. It is or is not regardless of whether or not we believe in it, otherwise it would only exist if we believed in it and therefore would not exist independently. Therefore if we did not believe it even if it were so, then it would not be.

A scientific fact is

 

The gain in information is in mutations that occur in DNA or RNA replications. Causing different proteins to be created that then have different functions. Over billions of years, a time man can not fully understand simple organism and become more complex organism. So we do gain "information" through mutations, since new DNA sequences are created that can then code for different proteins.

Adaption is on organism to organism basis. If this adaption is passed on such as in skin color in humans and evolution occurs. I know Black, Asian and White people aren't different species but if each race was isolated for millions upon millions of years new species would occur since new adaptation would arise.

 

from what i understand, a theory, is something is not something to be proven, but something that scientists try hard to disprove. so far, there hasnt been any breakthroughs that discredits evolution. evolution got a huge bump after we got into genetics, it supports evolution.

sounds like you've explained religion, not a scientific fact.

i dont see why the bible is more important than the greek mythology, roman mythology, egyptian, etc. which were all religions. even including current religions.
only difference is that bible is more popular than the ones before.

 

Thx that is what i was trying to say a theory was earlier but i guess i was too vague!

 

gravity was fact shortly after its discovery, but it was also a theory.
the idea of gravity changed after einstein's theory of relativity. gravity still remains as fact even though our understanding of it may change.

 

You religious nutcases need to shut up.

"The freedom that allows you to practice religion is the same freedom you're stepping on"

Again, tax free money that is #1 in the world to me is the greatest business of all time. I'd love to make a story about someone special, get tax free money from it. Be a pastor and drive a Mercedes around without breaking a sweat.

1) I still don't understand how this stupid dude you call god is all wisdom all knowing and yet he can't control money, he always needs more of it.

2) I love how nice people die, but I guess it was their time to go.

3) I don't believe wasting time praying for a few hours on sunday is even productive at all. To me it's a bunch of sheep, and the church is making the tax free $$. Brilliant people.

4) If you actually take the time spent praying at some god damned temple/citadel/synagogue/church or whatever else you pray at, invest it into the community (that would be a lot of man hours put back into the community) I'm sure 100% that all worlds would be better.

Then the US wouldn't be broke, people would take care of the things like road construction or building creation or what have you without pay. Money could actually be spent on more useful things.

Take maybe 100 people, for 2-3 hrs, that is 200-300 man hrs for one church. Obviously they vary in size, but to me that seems to be the best logic. Rather than listening to some dude in cool drapes spew about a guy that no one has met.

The bible is a STORY that explains things in history. That's why there are many things that are in reference to history, but thrown in with a twist. It's kinda like watching a Hollywood movie made about a book, things are never exactly the way the book has it. Throw in twists here and there, make it more juicy, get more people interested. Sheep sheep sheep some more.

Again, for everyone out there. There were 4-5 major historians during the time Jesus was supposedly alive, yet not one referenced this dude in their history books. They did mention the wars and the cities and the things that they believed was important, but no history reference, or evidence of this guy named Jesus. A STORY, just like King Kong, IronMan, Spiderman, Superman. =)

If any religion shats on any other religion, or shats on those who don't believe then seriously why are you here? Go to a different country and shoot people and fight your own war. I don't understand how you can believe in a book that says other people will burn in hell because they are not apart of this certain religion.

 

everyone here says "religion" please use that word when you understand it. religion is man made. Faith was given by God, which happens to be my belief.. you will never hear a Godly person truly call themselves religious. Because being faithful is what we are supposed to be.

 

prove your belief in evolution. i bet you can't. you believe in something that CANNOT be proven. yet you are so much more right than medic and I. I'll pray for you man.