Any suby owners also rider/stunners?
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XkrazyAsianX,
If you don't have a lot of experience, I SERIOUSLY suggest you do not get the CBR as a first bike. If you don't have your M1, I SERIOUSLY suggest you go and take the MSF course before you get on a bike. The MSF course is invaluable if you are a relative novice. If you don't have a lot of seat time on a bike (like, over 100 hours, which translatese to about 6000 quality miles), then I would consider you a novice.
The CBR is a potent machine. The inline-4 600cc engine is peaky. It has a flat torque curve early in the powerband, and can get you in trouble when you get to 50% of redline. It is not the ideal bike to learn throttle control or braking discipline, and it's DEFINITELY not the bike to learn stunting on if you really want to learn how. I suggest getting the basics down pat first. If you haven't experienced max lean angle yet, and you aren't comfortable with it, then don't get the 600. Chances are, if it's a stunter bike, it's gotten a sprocket conversion to get more max torque down low. That torque will get you in SERIOUS trouble. Hit a bump, accidentally roll the throttle, and you will loop the bike. Sportbikes have huge brakes that you can literally lock up with the pressure from your finger, and a front heavy design with a weight transfer that can lock up the rear brake with even a SMALL amount of pressure on high braking. Throttle control and brake discipline are key skills you must learn, and learning on a CBR 600 will not be easy.
If you really REALLY want to learn on a bike, I suggest getting a canyon-carving beast of a machine that is also an easier bike to learn on and handle, and you will LOVE tooling around town with: the SV650. The SV650 has a smoother powerband, has enough low end torque that you will feel it in your gut, has even power delivery, and has the handling to hit the twisties as needed. It's a naked bike (no fairings), so you won't have to worry about rashed plastics (because you WILL drop the bike, and it will probably be a sub-10mph drop in a parking lot or driveway, or coming to a stop
), and it's a popular enough bike that parts are plentiful and cheap, and so are the mods. You could also go and get a cheap, used ninja 500, get a good year of riding to learn how to ride well, and then upgrade to your bike of choice.
Don't skimp on the gear, either. Riding is dangerous. Get good gear. I'm not saying you have to get a $2000 Dianese full leather one piece suit with speed hump. I'm just saying invest your money in GOOD gear (not poser crap). At a minimum, you should be getting a good jacket, a DOT/Snell certified helmet, maybe some riding pants or MX knee/shin/thigh guards, and a good pair of HIGH TOP shoes or motorcycle-specific shoes. Do NOT SKIMP on insurance. Nothing sucks worse than wadding your new toy or getting it stolen and paying off the loan on a memory.
If you don't have a lot of experience, I SERIOUSLY suggest you do not get the CBR as a first bike. If you don't have your M1, I SERIOUSLY suggest you go and take the MSF course before you get on a bike. The MSF course is invaluable if you are a relative novice. If you don't have a lot of seat time on a bike (like, over 100 hours, which translatese to about 6000 quality miles), then I would consider you a novice.
The CBR is a potent machine. The inline-4 600cc engine is peaky. It has a flat torque curve early in the powerband, and can get you in trouble when you get to 50% of redline. It is not the ideal bike to learn throttle control or braking discipline, and it's DEFINITELY not the bike to learn stunting on if you really want to learn how. I suggest getting the basics down pat first. If you haven't experienced max lean angle yet, and you aren't comfortable with it, then don't get the 600. Chances are, if it's a stunter bike, it's gotten a sprocket conversion to get more max torque down low. That torque will get you in SERIOUS trouble. Hit a bump, accidentally roll the throttle, and you will loop the bike. Sportbikes have huge brakes that you can literally lock up with the pressure from your finger, and a front heavy design with a weight transfer that can lock up the rear brake with even a SMALL amount of pressure on high braking. Throttle control and brake discipline are key skills you must learn, and learning on a CBR 600 will not be easy.
If you really REALLY want to learn on a bike, I suggest getting a canyon-carving beast of a machine that is also an easier bike to learn on and handle, and you will LOVE tooling around town with: the SV650. The SV650 has a smoother powerband, has enough low end torque that you will feel it in your gut, has even power delivery, and has the handling to hit the twisties as needed. It's a naked bike (no fairings), so you won't have to worry about rashed plastics (because you WILL drop the bike, and it will probably be a sub-10mph drop in a parking lot or driveway, or coming to a stop
), and it's a popular enough bike that parts are plentiful and cheap, and so are the mods. You could also go and get a cheap, used ninja 500, get a good year of riding to learn how to ride well, and then upgrade to your bike of choice.Don't skimp on the gear, either. Riding is dangerous. Get good gear. I'm not saying you have to get a $2000 Dianese full leather one piece suit with speed hump. I'm just saying invest your money in GOOD gear (not poser crap). At a minimum, you should be getting a good jacket, a DOT/Snell certified helmet, maybe some riding pants or MX knee/shin/thigh guards, and a good pair of HIGH TOP shoes or motorcycle-specific shoes. Do NOT SKIMP on insurance. Nothing sucks worse than wadding your new toy or getting it stolen and paying off the loan on a memory.
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shadowcat...I agree. I've got a decent amount of seat time and I learned on a kawi vulcan 500. very easy. I plan on taking the course and getting my lisense. I never bothered with a lisense cause I knew if I got one I'd get a bike...I even went and testdrove some bikes.
But I agree on all points
That 600 isn't the best learner bike. Expecially if it's set up to stunt. Things like larger cog and the ladder bars and what not. Gonna want to stand up on you. haaaaa. I got A.D.D. and skipped your second paragraph...sorry. But while stuffing a bagal down my throat I read it and you covered this already..haaa.
So in short..>I agree 100% with what you said.
ON a side note. On my way home last night I saw this dude on a brand new no plate GSXR 750. Still had the green and red stripes on the tire. I'm thinking he had JUST picked it up. Full gear with a dilivery style single strap bag over his back leaning way to the left. BAD. Guy stalled in front of me and I nearly nailed him. Realizing immediately that he didn't know how to ride AT all and definately didn't have a lisense I flicked my hazards on and drove behind him until I had to turn away from where he was going. Stupid.
But I agree on all points
That 600 isn't the best learner bike. Expecially if it's set up to stunt. Things like larger cog and the ladder bars and what not. Gonna want to stand up on you. haaaaa. I got A.D.D. and skipped your second paragraph...sorry. But while stuffing a bagal down my throat I read it and you covered this already..haaa.
So in short..>I agree 100% with what you said.
ON a side note. On my way home last night I saw this dude on a brand new no plate GSXR 750. Still had the green and red stripes on the tire. I'm thinking he had JUST picked it up. Full gear with a dilivery style single strap bag over his back leaning way to the left. BAD. Guy stalled in front of me and I nearly nailed him. Realizing immediately that he didn't know how to ride AT all and definately didn't have a lisense I flicked my hazards on and drove behind him until I had to turn away from where he was going. Stupid.
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Originally Posted by DomozitoLK
1989 Honda GB500
any chance you still have that?
That's exactly what I'm looking for. I'd love a triumph or bsa but a honda or kawi 500-750 will do just fine. Little newer than what I'm looking for but it'll work.
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OneManArmy,
You are definately gonna have to look for that cafe racer/rat bike, especially if you are looking to buy a good quality used bike. They are making a comeback to the scene, and are definately getting an upgrade with some of the newer cafe-racer style bikes coming out, like the Ducati Multistrada (which is naked sex on wheels).
Surf the Barf classified sections. You may get lucky and find a good deal.
You are definately gonna have to look for that cafe racer/rat bike, especially if you are looking to buy a good quality used bike. They are making a comeback to the scene, and are definately getting an upgrade with some of the newer cafe-racer style bikes coming out, like the Ducati Multistrada (which is naked sex on wheels).
Surf the Barf classified sections. You may get lucky and find a good deal.
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yeah I've been looking for a beater. I'm taking a fabrication class in august and I'd like an early 750 to work with cause I can't afford a triumph or BSA. Freaking like $3k and up for decent ones. They are making a huge come back. Bums me out. errrrr. Everything I like rises in popularity. BOoo. Stupid discovery channel. I've actually had people tell me "cool rat rod" to my caddy. I'm like WTF? Just cause it's primer that doesn't make it a rat rod. Damn discovery channel. it's a freakin cadillac man. ****. sorry....frustrations...all my prices on once cheap stuff are going up.
and yes that ducati is insane. I'm still a big fan of the 748 for some reason.
I'll watch barf. I check CL every day. I've got some feelers out with fabricaters that have a few laying around. If I had the cash I'd have a 40's lake race bike in my hands right now. errrr. But alas most of my cash is set aside for the cadi right now. She needs a LOT of love. Especially after I crawled around and check out the bottom..sheesh. yuck.
and yes that ducati is insane. I'm still a big fan of the 748 for some reason.
I'll watch barf. I check CL every day. I've got some feelers out with fabricaters that have a few laying around. If I had the cash I'd have a 40's lake race bike in my hands right now. errrr. But alas most of my cash is set aside for the cadi right now. She needs a LOT of love. Especially after I crawled around and check out the bottom..sheesh. yuck.
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yeah i love bikes. really enjoy working on the old two strokes also. in my stable:
1994 suzuki rgv-r 250 lucky strike replica and its us registered (lots of dmv bribes involved here)
1972 suzuki 550 triple
1972 suzuki 380 triple (with the stock 3 into 4 exhaust!)
i've been riding for a while now, about 10+ years, and realized that i've crashed about once every 2 years. anyone else have similar statistics?
1994 suzuki rgv-r 250 lucky strike replica and its us registered (lots of dmv bribes involved here)
1972 suzuki 550 triple
1972 suzuki 380 triple (with the stock 3 into 4 exhaust!)
i've been riding for a while now, about 10+ years, and realized that i've crashed about once every 2 years. anyone else have similar statistics?
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I'm taking my classes in May and have been looking for a used Ninja 250...wish I lived a little closer to the Bay becuase it's always a long drive just to go look at a bike.
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My bike of choice right now would def. be the Aprilia RSV 1000R Factory
http://www.apriliausa.com/models03/r...lo.phtml?id=54
http://www.apriliausa.com/models03/r...lo.phtml?id=54
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i ride a gsxr600.... i want a ysr though.. hehe...
and since tonight seems clear, ill guess ill ride to uckk tonight.. hehe :banana:
and since tonight seems clear, ill guess ill ride to uckk tonight.. hehe :banana:
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You know.. I like the Aprilia RSV and all... but nothing.. NOTHING.. beats the MV Agustas for drool factor... as long as you can afford them
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you.. the F4-1000 Tamburino, at a bargain basement sticker price of $42,695.
http://www.mvagusta.com/web-mvagusta/F4-1000_Tamb.html
Of course.. if you want the bike from I, Robot that Will Smith crashed, you can get it for $22,695, the F4-750 SPR.
http://www.mvagusta.com/web-mvagusta/F4-750SPR.html
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Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you.. the F4-1000 Tamburino, at a bargain basement sticker price of $42,695.
http://www.mvagusta.com/web-mvagusta/F4-1000_Tamb.html
Of course.. if you want the bike from I, Robot that Will Smith crashed, you can get it for $22,695, the F4-750 SPR.
http://www.mvagusta.com/web-mvagusta/F4-750SPR.html
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Originally Posted by shadowcat
XkrazyAsianX,
If you don't have a lot of experience, I SERIOUSLY suggest you do not get the CBR as a first bike. If you don't have your M1, I SERIOUSLY suggest you go and take the MSF course before you get on a bike. The MSF course is invaluable if you are a relative novice. If you don't have a lot of seat time on a bike (like, over 100 hours, which translatese to about 6000 quality miles), then I would consider you a novice.
The CBR is a potent machine. The inline-4 600cc engine is peaky. It has a flat torque curve early in the powerband, and can get you in trouble when you get to 50% of redline. It is not the ideal bike to learn throttle control or braking discipline, and it's DEFINITELY not the bike to learn stunting on if you really want to learn how. I suggest getting the basics down pat first. If you haven't experienced max lean angle yet, and you aren't comfortable with it, then don't get the 600. Chances are, if it's a stunter bike, it's gotten a sprocket conversion to get more max torque down low. That torque will get you in SERIOUS trouble. Hit a bump, accidentally roll the throttle, and you will loop the bike. Sportbikes have huge brakes that you can literally lock up with the pressure from your finger, and a front heavy design with a weight transfer that can lock up the rear brake with even a SMALL amount of pressure on high braking. Throttle control and brake discipline are key skills you must learn, and learning on a CBR 600 will not be easy.
If you really REALLY want to learn on a bike, I suggest getting a canyon-carving beast of a machine that is also an easier bike to learn on and handle, and you will LOVE tooling around town with: the SV650. The SV650 has a smoother powerband, has enough low end torque that you will feel it in your gut, has even power delivery, and has the handling to hit the twisties as needed. It's a naked bike (no fairings), so you won't have to worry about rashed plastics (because you WILL drop the bike, and it will probably be a sub-10mph drop in a parking lot or driveway, or coming to a stop ), and it's a popular enough bike that parts are plentiful and cheap, and so are the mods. You could also go and get a cheap, used ninja 500, get a good year of riding to learn how to ride well, and then upgrade to your bike of choice.
Don't skimp on the gear, either. Riding is dangerous. Get good gear. I'm not saying you have to get a $2000 Dianese full leather one piece suit with speed hump. I'm just saying invest your money in GOOD gear (not poser crap). At a minimum, you should be getting a good jacket, a DOT/Snell certified helmet, maybe some riding pants or MX knee/shin/thigh guards, and a good pair of HIGH TOP shoes or motorcycle-specific shoes. Do NOT SKIMP on insurance. Nothing sucks worse than wadding your new toy or getting it stolen and paying off the loan on a memory.
If you don't have a lot of experience, I SERIOUSLY suggest you do not get the CBR as a first bike. If you don't have your M1, I SERIOUSLY suggest you go and take the MSF course before you get on a bike. The MSF course is invaluable if you are a relative novice. If you don't have a lot of seat time on a bike (like, over 100 hours, which translatese to about 6000 quality miles), then I would consider you a novice.
The CBR is a potent machine. The inline-4 600cc engine is peaky. It has a flat torque curve early in the powerband, and can get you in trouble when you get to 50% of redline. It is not the ideal bike to learn throttle control or braking discipline, and it's DEFINITELY not the bike to learn stunting on if you really want to learn how. I suggest getting the basics down pat first. If you haven't experienced max lean angle yet, and you aren't comfortable with it, then don't get the 600. Chances are, if it's a stunter bike, it's gotten a sprocket conversion to get more max torque down low. That torque will get you in SERIOUS trouble. Hit a bump, accidentally roll the throttle, and you will loop the bike. Sportbikes have huge brakes that you can literally lock up with the pressure from your finger, and a front heavy design with a weight transfer that can lock up the rear brake with even a SMALL amount of pressure on high braking. Throttle control and brake discipline are key skills you must learn, and learning on a CBR 600 will not be easy.
If you really REALLY want to learn on a bike, I suggest getting a canyon-carving beast of a machine that is also an easier bike to learn on and handle, and you will LOVE tooling around town with: the SV650. The SV650 has a smoother powerband, has enough low end torque that you will feel it in your gut, has even power delivery, and has the handling to hit the twisties as needed. It's a naked bike (no fairings), so you won't have to worry about rashed plastics (because you WILL drop the bike, and it will probably be a sub-10mph drop in a parking lot or driveway, or coming to a stop
), and it's a popular enough bike that parts are plentiful and cheap, and so are the mods. You could also go and get a cheap, used ninja 500, get a good year of riding to learn how to ride well, and then upgrade to your bike of choice.Don't skimp on the gear, either. Riding is dangerous. Get good gear. I'm not saying you have to get a $2000 Dianese full leather one piece suit with speed hump. I'm just saying invest your money in GOOD gear (not poser crap). At a minimum, you should be getting a good jacket, a DOT/Snell certified helmet, maybe some riding pants or MX knee/shin/thigh guards, and a good pair of HIGH TOP shoes or motorcycle-specific shoes. Do NOT SKIMP on insurance. Nothing sucks worse than wadding your new toy or getting it stolen and paying off the loan on a memory.
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hey, no problem. I'm a rider, and the bay area riding community really does look out for its own.
Take it easy, take it slow, and read BARF. You will learn a LOT.
Take it easy, take it slow, and read BARF. You will learn a LOT.
Originally Posted by goose
yeah i love bikes. really enjoy working on the old two strokes also. in my stable:
1994 suzuki rgv-r 250 lucky strike replica and its us registered (lots of dmv bribes involved here)
1972 suzuki 550 triple
1972 suzuki 380 triple (with the stock 3 into 4 exhaust!)
i've been riding for a while now, about 10+ years, and realized that i've crashed about once every 2 years. anyone else have similar statistics?
1994 suzuki rgv-r 250 lucky strike replica and its us registered (lots of dmv bribes involved here)
1972 suzuki 550 triple
1972 suzuki 380 triple (with the stock 3 into 4 exhaust!)
i've been riding for a while now, about 10+ years, and realized that i've crashed about once every 2 years. anyone else have similar statistics?
I like those triples. My dad had one as a kid. Found one about 2 years ago mint and for sale for really cheap. Wife didn't want it. Next time I find a sweet 380, I'll probably pick it up if the price is good. See 750's but never 380's though.
Been riding for 18 years since I was 8 years old. 2 road accidents and multiple track ones. First accident was at 13 when I flipped my YZ, with my brothers make shift ramp in the front yard. My second one was my first racebike, that I actually sold my soul to the devil for. I rode off the side of Mt Hamilton, I didn't even know I was going to Mt Hamilton. I just was breaking the bike in and seeing what it had. Tucked the front end and it went 125ft down the side. Was only 2 weeks old.
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