The alternative to Capitalism is NOT Communism

Old Mar 30, 2009 | 10:04 PM
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The alternative to Capitalism is NOT Communism

http://www.naomiklein.org/articles/2...ly-bad-prague/

By Naomi Klein - September 27th, 2000
What seems to most enrage the delegates to the meeting of the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund in Prague this week is the idea that they even have to discuss the basic benefits of free-market globalization.

That discussion was supposed to have stopped in 1989, when the Wall fell and history ended. Only here they all are—old people, young people, thousands of them—literally storming the barricades of their extremely important summit.

And as the delegates peer over the side of their ill-protected fortress at the crowds below, scanning signs that say "Capitalism Kills," they look terribly confused. Didn't these strange people get the memo? Don't they understand that we all already decided that free-market capitalism was the last, best system? Sure, it's not perfect, and everyone inside the meeting is awfully concerned about all those poor people and the environmental mess, but it's not like there's a choice—is there?

For the longest time, it seemed as if there were only two political models: Western capitalism and Soviet communism. When the USSR collapsed, that left only one alternative, or so it seemed. Institutions like the World Bank and IMF have been busily "adjusting" economies in Eastern Europe and Asia to help them get with the program: privatizing services, relaxing regulation of foreign corporations, building huge export industries.

All this is why it is so significant that yesterday's head-on attack against the ideology ruling the World Bank and the IMF happened here, in the Czech Republic. This is a country that has lived through both economic orthodoxies, where the Lenin busts have been replaced by Pepsi logos and McDonald's arches.

Many of the young Czechs I met this week say that their direct experience with communism and capitalism has taught them that the two systems have something in common: They both treat people as if they are less than fully human. Where communism saw them only as potential producers, capitalism sees them only as potential consumers; where communism starved their beautiful capital, capitalism has overfed it, turning Prague into a Velvet Revolution theme park.

The experience of growing up disillusioned with both systems helps explain why so many of the activists behind this week's protests call themselves "anarchists." Anarchism is an ideology that defines itself by being fiercely non-ideological. It rejects externally imposed rules and argues that we are impoverished, as individuals and as communities, by overwork and overconsumption.

Most of us carry a mess of negative biases about anarchists. But the truth is that most are less interested in hurling projectiles than in finding ways to lead simple, autonomous lives. They call it "freedom."

So what do the lifestyle choices of a small (but growing) radical subculture have to do with the allegations being made against the World Bank and the IMF? Everything.

Far from simply demanding debt relief, the mass protests against the Bank and Fund are now driven by more fundamental demands: the elimination of both institutions, and of the economic beliefs that drive their every decision.

Over the past decade, a critical mass of communities in poor countries have questioned the Bank's belief that large-scale "development" always equals "improvement."

The people coming forward have been displaced by World-Bank-funded mega-dams and had their water systems polluted by World-Bank-funded mines.

Are these people Communists? A few. But most aren't capitalists either. They are tapping into something different, and much older. The young anarchists in Prague, also gathered here from around the world, have tapped into it too.

The Indian writer Arundhati Roy put it best, writing about her crusade against a World-Bank-funded dam: "Perhaps what the 21st century has in store for us is the dismantling of the Big. Big bombs, big dams, big heroes, big mistakes. Perhaps it will be the Century of the Small."
I do not agree with everything Naomi Klein has to say, but this article is worth reading.

Here is what I think:

I find it to be an interesting perspective. Most charts place the Communism and Capitalism on opposing end, but when practiced, communism and capitalism both have leaders that make decisions for the society. Humans need to be organized to get anything done efficiently when in great numbers. This is one of the key reasons, among others, why communism can never work "properly". On a small scale it can work, but on a large scale, communication and coordination become an issue. This is why we have a representative democracy. If everyone had a turn to speak their mind about what they wanted, talks and negotiations would continue for all eternity with no resolution.
Old Mar 30, 2009 | 10:12 PM
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Both of them 'can' work, but in the end...human tendency towards greed/power mongering take over to ruin it all.

Ironic that we "out spent" the USSR, and then 20 years later outspent/pwn'd ourselves.
Old Mar 31, 2009 | 12:25 AM
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and now we have an administration who wants to towards socialism...
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Originally Posted by ldivinag
and now we have an administration who wants to towards socialism...
Wants to? It already happened, the government owns all big corporations (because they would have been bankrupt if they didn't buy their stocks and bonds) In addition, we're about to be taxed the living hell out of us to pay for the billions they pumped with this damn stimulus crap.

In a real capitalistic society, they would have let AIG and Fannie and Freddie all crumble. The Fed Reserve would have never dropped interest rates so low, and there would be no such thing as FDIC insured.

Imagine how we are, going to a car dealership, shopping for a car, how picky we are for what we pay for. Now imagine if we had to do that with banks. We would actually have to research and do a nice review before I put my thousands,millions,billions into a firm. I want to make sure that firm is doing well and that it covers its assets good.

But instead, the Fed Reserve dropped the rates so low that people were pulling tons of cash out, knowing housing prices going up would mean they would make enough to pay it back and make huge profits. Everything is FDIC insured, so now we aren't worried about where we put our money or which bank we put them with because we're all guaranteed our money.... You just can't do that in a Capitalistic society.

I'm not voting for communism, but they all society have their perks, its the idea on how to reach those goals. I just can't wait til we're taxed so bad we're like Sweden paying 50% tax rates and having the government provide everything for us.
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sing with me:

"you say communist... i say socialist, communist.. socialist... let's call the whole thing off..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCW8j...eature=related

what's the diff?

http://www.marxmail.org/faq/socialism_and_communism.htm

let's call the whole thing off.. until 2012.
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Originally Posted by iLoqin
In a real capitalistic society, they would have let AIG and Fannie and Freddie all crumble. The Fed Reserve would have never dropped interest rates so low, and there would be no such thing as FDIC insured.
And yet the U.S. is not a total capitalist society. We lean towards the right of the spectrum, far from communism to establish something close to "perfect capitalism".

And even then, if we were to go all the way right, corruption would still be present. Businesses would monopolize whatever they see fit, making markets and prices very "steep".

But I agree, these bailouts have gotten out of hand.
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