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Originally Posted by Nick@NASIOC
Alot of words.
n00b
Just re-route the T1 into your phone via the tuned port fuel injection from a camaro. God.....
J/P
Good luck with getting everything back up.
Hmmmmmmmm I think your post count on I-Club is now twice what it was on NASIOC.........
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Originally Posted by Nick@NASIOC
And yes Daniel... you are right... as of this point... I want to get the servers the hell out of my "basement" and more importantly the hell out of Florida. I wish I could just up and send NASIOC to a datacenter. It's just not that easy when the site is as large as NASIOC is.
Yay!
If you need help with Colo/redundancy I can help you. I used to monitor and fix all of Adobe's remote servers/etc
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Originally Posted by BacDoc
Nick I believe you and trust in you. Now make the shakes go away....get the site back up...or at least OT....or call me and talk **** to me like the OT does.
There did that work? Give me some pointers and I will try to talk some **** to you.
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Originally Posted by SilverScoober02
Doc shut up you whiny biatch
There did that work? Give me some pointers and I will try to talk some **** to you.
There did that work? Give me some pointers and I will try to talk some **** to you.
Ahhhhh, quick fix. I have now confirmed I'm offically addicted to OT. Make it stop.
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Originally Posted by mrn98
Does anyone actually know what Nick makes or are people just pulling numbers out of their ***.
Datacenter BS aside, I wouldn't call Nick stupid if he running nasioc the way he does.
If he really does make that much money, he mus be doing something right.
sounds like a buch of i-clubbers have there head up thier ***...
Datacenter BS aside, I wouldn't call Nick stupid if he running nasioc the way he does.
If he really does make that much money, he mus be doing something right.
sounds like a buch of i-clubbers have there head up thier ***...
numbers are simple to come by...
Ask any vendor how much he pays a month multiply that by number of vendors...
Not exact but decently accurate.
As for how he runs it... its ****
down for two weeks?
come on if he is treating it like a buisness you would think he would do the proper risk assesments regarding BCP and DRP's.
The problem at hand is HE DOESNT RUN THE PLACE RIGHT, HE DOESNT TREAT IT AS HE SHOULD.
Its a ****ing community/buisness either of those should warrant enough caring for him to be able to properly secure the intrests of both his bank account and the ****ing people who fill it for him...
this is rocket ****ing science... IF he was properly coloed in a proper data center there wouldnt be any damn power issues at hand.. Doesnt matter how many damn homes are out of power. A REAL data center will have nuff UPS, Generator, and legal contracts to fall back on to make sure that things are up and running no matter wtf happens. (think disk to disk backups via net to offsite location, hell ship ****ing tapes if you have to once a damn month.
anyways i could go on and on and on quote you nist standards, PCI-DSS standards, best practices and all that jazz but i wont..
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Originally Posted by brucelee
get it the hell out of Florida.
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Originally Posted by Nick@NASIOC
I have never seen so much speculation and pure hatred for no reason.
Just to answer a few of the ridiculous comments made here...
The site was NEVER moved to a datacenter... I never said ANYTHING to the effect. I'd maybe in the past spoken about talking to some people about it... but the only thing I did say for certain is that I was moving the servers to their new home in a more north part of Florida, and they were getting their own real ICF construction server room with it's own power and AC. And that was 100% true. So please feel free to show me where I said I was moving the servers to a datacenter... I'd like to see where "I" said that... otherwise I'd like a retraction.
NASIOC couldn't be run off a 1U server... and I whoever said it has no idea how, or has ever, run a website that has traffic. NASIOC currently runs on 6 servers... 1 2U Dell 2850, and 5 1U Dell 1425s, and a Dell 210 PowerVault for storage. The 2U is the database server which has 12GB of memory... which costs more than most sites spend on hosting for a 10 year period. For the fact checkers its 6 2GB sticks of single rank memory for the 2850.
Now... I charge the vendors $100/month... (the same amount Alex charges) and in fact most pay less than that because I offer discounts on longer length contracts. So that $150/month average and "most pay more" figure is total crap.
Living in Florida... considering these past two years have been the worst in 40 years prior... I can't say the record is that bad. Yes we have outages ever now and then, but where doesn't. Everywhere has its issues due to location. There is no such thing as the perfect location to host servers. Now as far as moving my servers to a datacenter. I've considered it in the past... the problem is it was never an option because the costs were two great. Only recently after spending just over $35K on servers since the beginning of this year have I had the form factor of the servers into something I can possible send to a datacenter. So that's a very new turn of events. The other factor is NASIOC runs on 5 T1s hosted out of the ICF server room we have built here. We have 15KW generators to power the system, and the room is literally bomb proof, check ICF construction for details. The only thing that I was trying to remedy was connection. And unfortunately there is no type of connection that is foolproof. All data connections to business/residential areas are limited by the number of hops and what is powering the Telco box. Ours was apparently powered buy a 12 hour backup that ran out at 8:30 on Monday night. So no connection short of a backbone connection is without fault. The other concern is bandwidth... NASIOC uses on average per day 6Mb/s during peak hours... which is roughly 17 hours a day. So I need to investigate that cost from a datacenter... originally that sort of BW wasn't cheap.
That all being said... I am in fact investigating datacenter options from this point out as it's become readily clear to me that hosting out of what is a full fledged datacenter just isn't an option. I have even considered trying to become a hop of some sort just so I can get a real legit line in here that wouldn't be subject to these silly outages just because the phone company can't put some sort of real backup solution on their Telco boxes.
All in all... I read this thread just feeling sick... It's not everyday that you get to see a lot of people just plain being nasty to you without reason... especially something like a natural disaster.
What I learned from this thread... apparently I'm an ******* who has no idea how to run a website and is only in it for the money. Nice to know... guess that's why I felt literally sick to my stomach when the connection went down even after I'd done everything I could to ensure it wouldn't happen.
And just for the record... Alex and I are totally cool at this point... this crap you guys keep stirring up is just dumb. If Alex and I can get over what happened... I don't see why the rest of you can't.
And yes Daniel... you are right... as of this point... I want to get the servers the hell out of my "basement" and more importantly the hell out of Florida. I wish I could just up and send NASIOC to a datacenter. It's just not that easy when the site is as large as NASIOC is.
What pisses me off the most is I did everything I was suppose to... but it still wasn't enough. So I really don't appreciate the soap box stars here nit picking me for it. Trust me... I've done my homework... the only place I lacked was investigating datacenters... which I will now do once we are back up and running and I can do some legitimate research.
I also think a few of you here need to be a bit more sympathetic to this situation brought about by hurricane Wilma. This was in fact the WORST hurricane ever on historical record and it caused more electrical damage than Katrina. At one point 6 million people were without power and when the dust settled 7 out of 10 Florida Power and Light customers were without power. And as or right now most of Central and South Florida is in the dark. So have some compassion... or at least think before you speak about something that you've not even taken a moment to consider.
-Nick
P.S. And before anyone asks this post was made on my Cingular Phone connected to my laptop... If I could host NASIOC off it I would! I'm just out of options right this moment.
Just to answer a few of the ridiculous comments made here...
The site was NEVER moved to a datacenter... I never said ANYTHING to the effect. I'd maybe in the past spoken about talking to some people about it... but the only thing I did say for certain is that I was moving the servers to their new home in a more north part of Florida, and they were getting their own real ICF construction server room with it's own power and AC. And that was 100% true. So please feel free to show me where I said I was moving the servers to a datacenter... I'd like to see where "I" said that... otherwise I'd like a retraction.
NASIOC couldn't be run off a 1U server... and I whoever said it has no idea how, or has ever, run a website that has traffic. NASIOC currently runs on 6 servers... 1 2U Dell 2850, and 5 1U Dell 1425s, and a Dell 210 PowerVault for storage. The 2U is the database server which has 12GB of memory... which costs more than most sites spend on hosting for a 10 year period. For the fact checkers its 6 2GB sticks of single rank memory for the 2850.
Now... I charge the vendors $100/month... (the same amount Alex charges) and in fact most pay less than that because I offer discounts on longer length contracts. So that $150/month average and "most pay more" figure is total crap.
Living in Florida... considering these past two years have been the worst in 40 years prior... I can't say the record is that bad. Yes we have outages ever now and then, but where doesn't. Everywhere has its issues due to location. There is no such thing as the perfect location to host servers. Now as far as moving my servers to a datacenter. I've considered it in the past... the problem is it was never an option because the costs were two great. Only recently after spending just over $35K on servers since the beginning of this year have I had the form factor of the servers into something I can possible send to a datacenter. So that's a very new turn of events. The other factor is NASIOC runs on 5 T1s hosted out of the ICF server room we have built here. We have 15KW generators to power the system, and the room is literally bomb proof, check ICF construction for details. The only thing that I was trying to remedy was connection. And unfortunately there is no type of connection that is foolproof. All data connections to business/residential areas are limited by the number of hops and what is powering the Telco box. Ours was apparently powered buy a 12 hour backup that ran out at 8:30 on Monday night. So no connection short of a backbone connection is without fault. The other concern is bandwidth... NASIOC uses on average per day 6Mb/s during peak hours... which is roughly 17 hours a day. So I need to investigate that cost from a datacenter... originally that sort of BW wasn't cheap.
That all being said... I am in fact investigating datacenter options from this point out as it's become readily clear to me that hosting out of what is a full fledged datacenter just isn't an option. I have even considered trying to become a hop of some sort just so I can get a real legit line in here that wouldn't be subject to these silly outages just because the phone company can't put some sort of real backup solution on their Telco boxes.
All in all... I read this thread just feeling sick... It's not everyday that you get to see a lot of people just plain being nasty to you without reason... especially something like a natural disaster.
What I learned from this thread... apparently I'm an ******* who has no idea how to run a website and is only in it for the money. Nice to know... guess that's why I felt literally sick to my stomach when the connection went down even after I'd done everything I could to ensure it wouldn't happen.
And just for the record... Alex and I are totally cool at this point... this crap you guys keep stirring up is just dumb. If Alex and I can get over what happened... I don't see why the rest of you can't.
And yes Daniel... you are right... as of this point... I want to get the servers the hell out of my "basement" and more importantly the hell out of Florida. I wish I could just up and send NASIOC to a datacenter. It's just not that easy when the site is as large as NASIOC is.
What pisses me off the most is I did everything I was suppose to... but it still wasn't enough. So I really don't appreciate the soap box stars here nit picking me for it. Trust me... I've done my homework... the only place I lacked was investigating datacenters... which I will now do once we are back up and running and I can do some legitimate research.
I also think a few of you here need to be a bit more sympathetic to this situation brought about by hurricane Wilma. This was in fact the WORST hurricane ever on historical record and it caused more electrical damage than Katrina. At one point 6 million people were without power and when the dust settled 7 out of 10 Florida Power and Light customers were without power. And as or right now most of Central and South Florida is in the dark. So have some compassion... or at least think before you speak about something that you've not even taken a moment to consider.
-Nick
P.S. And before anyone asks this post was made on my Cingular Phone connected to my laptop... If I could host NASIOC off it I would! I'm just out of options right this moment.
What do you need quarter rack? half rack? full rack? cage?
I can get you teir one multihomed access in Manhattan, remote hands, the works. Top notch facilities, hell even chicago if you want...
For the cost of 10 or so vendors fees a month possibly...
And nick, you didnt do everything you were supposed to, i cant tell you how many collegues i have talked to that have looked at me and flashed the ?WtF y0!? face when i tell them about your situation. Lets face it man you arent running a rinky dink forum, you have damn near 100k accounts, you pull in a decent enough revenue stream to start up your own hosting/web design firm, and still have money left over.
This is a buisness, and one that you made some bad choices with. And now you have "stranded" 100k people who were part of a community that temporarily doesnt exist. You have a responsibility not only to those vendors who pay you, but also those loyal "customers" who make it all possible. That responsibility is at the minimum level to do everything that you can to insure that the site stays up and available. I can understand over loaded servers more then i can running servers out of an ICF closet or even a vault at a bank with out a proper design and set up. The costs associated with such are simply assinine when comparing the costs associated with a full rack or half rack in a properly configured and maintained data center in even a Teir one pop.
Look if you need help figuring all that ish out all you have to do is ask, i for one would be happy to help you out. Hell even put you in touch with what people i do know who do that sort of thing. Even if it is just to ask people questions there are plenty of people in the community who would be willing to help, consult, or even contribute just to make sure that their community doesnt disapear because some jerkoff telco doesnt give a ish about residential power (they cant LEGALY do that when it comes to data centers due to SLA's)...
anyways i have said more then my part, i have thrown jabs at you for being a dunce (it isnt like i havent said all of this three or so times before, hell i even got points for it once, yeah to mods). I do not agree with your views on somethings
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Originally Posted by wrx10404
Well NASIOC is close to 100k members. So 100k just for that. Plus all of the adds and vendor fees.
Pretty Good.
Pretty Good.
Originally Posted by RussB
damn, you guys know way too much about this ****...
i thought i was cool for setting up a wireless router.
actually, scott set that up.
i thought i was cool for setting up a wireless router.
actually, scott set that up.