am i in china or america??

 

skynet beta test, amirite?

 

CHINA....in a few years my friend our rights are being stripped left and right.

 

good God...

 

that's why I don't recommend Norton

 

I guess if info is leaked out, ''some'' of us might go bie bie for a long time......good luck US.

 

Allright kids, what do you want the Fed govt to do...Legalize Pot or sign off on Personal Tech Sovereignty?

 

^50-50?...

 

I don't know whether I'm more shocked by the supposed content of this video or the laughable excuse at objective reporting. Is the dog wagging?

I'm not sure what current policy is but I'm sure that the NSA already does huge amounts of screening of online content. The FBI's cyber crimes division already has the ability to break in to your PC. They likely need a warrant first, but cyber evidence is rarely hard to come by with a little determination. The targets of this treaty, as stated by the video, and p2p users and file sharers, a lot of which is already illegal. This kind of activity is already criminalized! The treaty doesn't change that. Learn to torrent.

On the subject of computer security: Norton and Symantec are both lacking. Internet security software (firewall, virus scanner, etc...) isn't particularly thorough on its own. They aren't bad things to have, but a solid firewall on your router and security measures taken on a network level are infinitely more valuable.

 

They are taking away out freedom, really? Hippies have known about this for 40+ years, but nobody took them serious enough to do anything...

 

How about just banning the Fed Reserve from our currency period. How about lifting the 1950 law that they cannot be asked questions about what they are doing. How about allowing audits or moving us back to the Gold Standard?

This pot thing and whatever nonsense isn't such a huge deal. The bigger picture is WHY THE HELL can't we ask or get a receipt or get anything that shows where our money is being spent and how it's being spent by a government who controls the whole nation? There are checks and balances for everything in our constitution, and by far the Presidential branch has been gaining more and more power (playing with our money without audits, declaring a war without actually the declaration part with congress, etc.).

It's a big Madoff or Enron organization that controls this country. I bet if we get rid of the Fed Reserve and back out of foreign nations, like Ron Paul has been sayin for years (but doesn't get any back) then maybe we might look like a normal nation not trying to take over the world. (which it seems with our US bases in more than half the countries in the world).

The whole idea about "protection our nation and allies from threat" and "terrorism" is just a hoax to invade other nations and keep troops there permanently. The constitution doesn't say we have to do that. But we're the brilliant country that thinks we are doing the right thing

Screw the Fed Reserve, since 1913 they've gotten control of this country and we have been doing their bidding ever since.

 

You mean like warrantless wiretaps?

 

oh , i forgot

the head of the NSA Cyber Crimes division quit/retired right before that norton/magic lantern conspiracy thing happened weeks ago

 

I think you're ignoring the good that the Federal Reserve has done in regulating the economy. Dissolving the Federal Reserve and using a Gold Standard would eliminate any ability to mitigate a recession. We're talking about a sail boat with fixed sails and no rudder. This would be a car with no driver. The economy would be at the complete mercy of the market.

A return to the Gold Standard is difficult to swing. No country in the world uses it anymore. The "standard" has been the US dollar for some time now. Even if a there was a large push to use the Gold Standard there isn't enough gold in the world to equal the number of currency floating about in the US alone. Using the Gold Standard would signifigantly reduce the value of gold relative to the dollar.

This statement if very presumptuous. It undermines the values of groups of people. It assumes that everyone places the value of fiscal regulation of tax dollars above federal regulation of what an individual person can do to their body. I don't want to get into marijuana advocacy but alcohol related injury and death out weight marijuana related injury and death. I'll try and dig up a citation later.

In terms of government spending:
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Tax...umbers2008.pdf
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget...arytables.html
I believe more specific information is actually available through your Congress person, Senator, and/or Library of Congress.

Does this mean Ron Paul is a Hippy?

I hate to expand on a tangent but I've never seen an original poster derail their own thread. It was interesting enough to provoke a response. It's also interesting that every thread made by the original poster seems to come back to the same points. I smell a trend.

 

That information is new to me and does change the dynamic of the issue. Apparently the higher ups in Government Organizations have stronger ethics than the CEOs at symantec and norton. Who's the ***** now?