http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...NYuGrgO2htC-AQ

 

Shock and awe is a counter-productive tactic now. Battles are won by building respect and accord with locals and presenting yourself in a humanizing manner. F-22s and main battle tanks and loads of armor and weapons is what polarizes neighborhoods and aids the insurgency. I can take 11 other men with just the weapons we can carry and use this to take and hold infinitely more battle space than that F-22 ever could, occasionally without firing a single round.

It's great the U.S. has an awesome air force so we can maintain complete air superiority but let's look at where we are. China and the U.S would blow each other off the face of the earth with nukes long before we'd have a conventional battle. Then fighters and conventional tactics mean nothing. We've got that on lock-down with nuclear subs, the most powerful weapon ever devised.

 

how would you know? we arent using it anymore.

if we carpet bombed a stripe through Sadr city that would send a pretty strong message, no?

 

Sure would, it'd send a message that America doesn't really give two ****s about Iraq's progress and it'd cost a disproportionate amount of U.S. lives. Also, do you have any idea how often JDAMs are dropped on buildings in Iraq?

 

not often enough.... theres still an insurgency.

 

Of course there is. I'm not debating that. Bombs don't defeat an insurgency, they kill insurgents but not the means or ideology behind it. Counter-insurgency is a battle won but winning over the populace where insurgents plan and conduct operations. It's called "defeat by proxy". Once the populace decides they will no longer tolerate insurgents there will be none. Dropping a 500lb JDAM on a building may kill 5 to 10 insurgents, it also may create 50 more.

The end must justify the means.

 

Kill enough people there arent any left to be insurgents

 

excuse me Col. Contradiction, did that last statement come from the Department of Flawed Logic?


i·de·ol·o·gy - n.
1.)the body of doctrine, myth, belief, etc., that guides an individual, social movement, institution, class, or large group.

correct me if im wrong... but if we are attempting to defeat that particular ideology we are going to need more bombs...


fragment; consider revision.

that's a big assumption given that the only thing most people in that region of the world hate more than each other is us. while we are on the "proxy this, proxy that"... i seem to recall a certain junior US representative who started militant Islam, not that the blowback from that escapade ever came back to haunt us. point being, when you stir up a bees nest with a stick it is ill advised to keep ****ing with it. you can either run or kill all the bees. see my previous statement about needing more bombs.


sweet we can bomb 5-10 more buildings.

Might want to consider the questions raised by Anscombe:

• What sort of consequences count as good consequences?
• Who is the primary beneficiary of moral action?
• How are the consequences judged and who judges them?

logic alert: we are trying to 'defeat-by-proxy' but we are committing acts (violence, political manipulation) that are counter to, and indeed undermine, our end goal (peace, regional stability).

might want to think a bit more on that before you bust out the consequentialist idioms to back up your point, since it doesn't fit with the theme of your comment.


follow-up:
statistically speaking we dont give two ****s... so why pretend?
http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm

 

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/...ain/index.html

Another good example of bombing in Iraq. Good call coming from a guy who doesn't know jack **** about anything in the military.

 

First off, let me just thank you for the condescending tone. Secondly, I couldn't possibly give two ****s what an elitist arm-chair quarterback has to say about operations as they pertain to military operations or foreign diplomacy in general. What actual education or training have you had on this subject short of what CNN feeds you? I'd be surprised if any based on your blatantly absurd comments of bombing everything in Iraq. Good solution.

I love how you circled Iran, Sudan and Syria yet completely ignored say........the Gaza Strip and West Bank, the two most pivotal areas as far as radical Islam is concerned. It's also interesting you mention ideology and fail to mention Egypt, the home of the Muslim Brotherhood and the home of Islamization's father, Sayeed Qutb. Do me a favor and open a book before you come to this table with me. I don't claim to know a whole lot about anything but this I do know. It's what I went to college for and how I pay my bills.

 

terrible example of bombing. they missed the hospital. ****ing fail.

you're welcome.

you shouldn't talk about president bush and his cabinet in such a manner, isn't that insubordination?

im a polisci major, and i can read those square paper things that we used to call "buks" or something like that.

what was the last successful war we had? Bosnia? nope we *****footed around that place. Gulf1? nope. we didn't give our tanks enough gas to reach Baghdad. we wouldn't bomb North Veitnam and you cant call Korea a success unless you think freezing to death then retreating = victory.

why do i think carpet bombing Iraq is a good idea?

Curtis ****ing Lemay


...back before America became the land of the whiney *****es, before we sugar-coated and bubble-wrapped every aspect of our lives... Curtis Lemay was kicking *** and doing it right. In a single 3 hour period on March 10, 1945 he led a raid that burned to death 100,000 Japanese civilians. He completely incinerated 15 square miles of of the city. we completely obliterated Germany and Japan, and now we buy their cars.

"if the war is shortened by a single day, the attack will have served its purpose."

its like watching two little kids fight. the sooner they stop arguing and slapping each other and start throwing punches the faster they can go back to being friends.

because i was using MSpaint dumbass... for all your espoused powers of deductive reasoning and worldly knowledge you sure are ****ing stupid.



aside from the my physical inability to highlight those areas accurately... they aren't highlighted because the Jews can take care of themselves.

maybe because Al Azhar has been around in Egypt a 1000 years longer than the Muslim Brotherhood? I seem to recall them issuing a fatwa stating that killing in the name of Islam is "heresy", but don't get me wrong, I'm all for bombing Egypt too. the MB can take their takfir and shove it.

you went to college and got a degree in arguing with people on the internet? thats pretty sad.

 

IX and his serious mapping software FTW!

 

it cam on a 3.5 disk when i bought my m-code gps