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Old 05-22-2008, 10:23 AM
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interesting figures........
When President Bush took office on January 20, 2001, the national average gas price was $1.46 per gallon. Six and a half years later, on August 27, 2007, the national average gas price had jumped to $2.76, roughly 89% higher. Compounded annually, this represents about a 10% jump each year Bush has been in office.

Now, let’s compare the numbers over the same time period for President Clinton.

When Clinton took office on January 20, 1993, the national average gas price was $1.06 per gallon. six and a half years later, the national average gas price had jumped to $1.22, roughly 15% higher. Compounded annually, this represents about a 2% jump each year.

Even when you compare all of Clinton’s term (38% jump overall) against the first six and a half years of Bush’s term, the overall jump in gas prices between the two presidents isn’t even close. In order to meet Clinton’s “numbers” gas prices would have to fall to $2.02 per gallon - or roughly 36%.
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Will a car that runs on 91 run ok on a lower octane? The car won't preform as it would do if it was running on 91, but what would long term affects be. If you kept putting in the lower octane gas?
Predetonation then boom! All it takes is one back knock then bye bye bye..

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The octane number of gasoline is a measure of its resistance to detonation. Detonation occurs when the octane number is too low for the engine and its operating conditions. When the spark plug fires, the flame moves through the air-fuel mixture, burning it very rapidly. Predetonation occurs if a portion of the unburned air-fuel mixture rises to a temperature and pressure it cannot tolerate and ignites before the flame front gets to it. Predetonation causes maximum pressure in the combustion chamber to be reached before the piston gets to top dead center, thus it pushes down on the piston before it has peaked at the top of its travel. Much of the engine's energy is wasted in trying to move up the piston while the high-pressure exploding gasses are trying to push it down. The extreme temperature and pressure developed can cause broken rings, rod-bearing damage, piston overheating and erosion of the aluminum block. Pistons can even end up with holes in their top, flat surfaces from the high temperatures and high pressures.
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Originally Posted by laoba
detonation
the car is supposed to adjust to the lower octane by pulling timing but why would u risk it? you will get better mpg running 91 vs 87.
Haven't tried that, been told to try it. But don't wanna risk f'n up the car
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Originally Posted by c279a
Haven't tried that, been told to try it. But don't wanna risk f'n up the car
let's say 91 is $.20 more than 87 gas. it's only about $3 more to fill up with 91 for that tank. we'll also say you avg 20mpg and you drive 15,000 a year with a 15 gal tank, that comes out to $150 more for that year getting 91 vs 87. stack up that $150 against your other bills and and it isn't much at all, considering you drive a $35K car. of course how much you pay at the end if 91 rose to $6/gal, but that's like, a totally different story.....
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oh yeah, the 4g63 is a cast iron block ya? hmmm. fill away with 87!
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Ruben if you're that concerned about high prices at the pump buy a little commuter car.
I'm looking for a Prius right now but for all the wrong reasons... haha
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we need to start group buys on hits on these "analysts" predicting $3294808428/gal prices.
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i saw a 1993 geo metro go on ebay for nearly $8K. LOL. it advertised like 60mpg...
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i saw a 1993 geo metro go on ebay for nearly $8K. LOL. it advertised like 60mpg...
what the ****?! hahahahaha
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oh yeah, the 4g63 is a cast iron block ya? hmmm. fill away with 87!
Yup, the evo X uses a alumium block
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Originally Posted by soggynoodles
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Ruben if you're that concerned about high prices at the pump buy a little commuter car.
I'm looking for a Prius right now but for all the wrong reasons... haha
I thought of buying a little commuter car, but I wouldn't be saving that much money with it. I'll have to pay for the insurance for the pos and any maintenance needed. If gas does go up to $6, then I might get one.
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ruben just face it, theres no winning in life. i did some math, buying a beater car to replace my wrx wouldn't pay off until 5 years. Its a different story if you need a car today to replace a old car.
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Originally Posted by c279a
I thought of buying a little commuter car, but I wouldn't be saving that much money with it. I'll have to pay for the insurance for the pos and any maintenance needed. If gas does go up to $6, then I might get one.
Well it all depends on how the numbers are crunched. Like make the beater the primary car and the EVO secondary. That way you'll get the multi car discount and your evo won't be your primary but the beater will.
If I add a beater to the STi my rates will be way less then if I had the STi alone.
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^^^^^yep. full coverage on the miata is like $20/mo...

when gas reaches $6+ and climbing buying that beater car it will "pay itself off" pretty damn quick if you think about it. the beater has very little value to begin with, so might as well save what you can on depreciation on your car that is actually worth something.
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that reminds me... I need to get my beater running again.
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