Is the 2016 Ford RS, and Golf R really the new Evo?
02-06-2015, 06:06 PM
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That's where I am on them. I actually liked the Ford's specs, remembering Ryan got one when he moved back South. That said I know what B.I.L. has gone thru on maintenance on his Ferd. Then factor in the cost of upkeep on a German toy and it adds up.
Pretty much explains why people lease instead of buy these days. I'll stick with what I got despite wanting the hell out of another compact to play with.
Here I thought my new truck had too much telemetrics/nanny-bots.
Pretty much explains why people lease instead of buy these days. I'll stick with what I got despite wanting the hell out of another compact to play with.
Here I thought my new truck had too much telemetrics/nanny-bots.
02-08-2015, 01:09 AM
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Dunno why some people are hating on technology. Look at what Tesla is currently doing with their performance Sedans (Model S D) , I'm truly hoping we'll have a lot of nice Performance Oriented electric cars when 2021 rolls around.
Imagine digital accuracy/controlled torque vectoring capability due to one electronic motor on each wheel. A car like that will turn on a dime, that is if tire tech can keep up. That level of control on each wheel is so much better than the current torque vectoring available (usually brakes, and on more capable systems - clutches). Additionally, it'll lead to less complicated drive-trains mechanically (no diffs, no clutches, no prop shafts, no kludge torque transfer mechanisms) which should be more efficient (less drive-train related loses), reliable albeit with the electronic\control side increasing in complexity. Then again, we are in the digital age.
Imagine digital accuracy/controlled torque vectoring capability due to one electronic motor on each wheel. A car like that will turn on a dime, that is if tire tech can keep up. That level of control on each wheel is so much better than the current torque vectoring available (usually brakes, and on more capable systems - clutches). Additionally, it'll lead to less complicated drive-trains mechanically (no diffs, no clutches, no prop shafts, no kludge torque transfer mechanisms) which should be more efficient (less drive-train related loses), reliable albeit with the electronic\control side increasing in complexity. Then again, we are in the digital age.
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02-08-2015, 08:38 PM
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Dunno why some people are hating on technology. Look at what Tesla is currently doing with their performance Sedans (Model S D) , I'm truly hoping we'll have a lot of nice Performance Oriented electric cars when 2021 rolls around.
Imagine digital accuracy/controlled torque vectoring capability due to one electronic motor on each wheel. A car like that will turn on a dime, that is if tire tech can keep up. That level of control on each wheel is so much better than the current torque vectoring available (usually brakes, and on more capable systems - clutches). Additionally, it'll lead to less complicated drive-trains mechanically (no diffs, no clutches, no prop shafts, no kludge torque transfer mechanisms) which should be more efficient (less drive-train related loses), reliable albeit with the electronic\control side increasing in complexity. Then again, we are in the digital age.
Imagine digital accuracy/controlled torque vectoring capability due to one electronic motor on each wheel. A car like that will turn on a dime, that is if tire tech can keep up. That level of control on each wheel is so much better than the current torque vectoring available (usually brakes, and on more capable systems - clutches). Additionally, it'll lead to less complicated drive-trains mechanically (no diffs, no clutches, no prop shafts, no kludge torque transfer mechanisms) which should be more efficient (less drive-train related loses), reliable albeit with the electronic\control side increasing in complexity. Then again, we are in the digital age.
I dislike the way the Evo 9 and 10 feel. I love the way the EVO 8 feels.
I will take mechanical drive train any day of the week. I really dislike the brake based LSD system. If a computer can cut or reduce power to a wheel it will do it when I don't want it to.
Could it be faster than with mechanical system? Sure, it's totally plausible. But will it be as fun? I doubt it. For me drive and the feel matters most. I really like mechanical drive train power biasing. It may be prehistoric, but it feels great.
02-08-2015, 11:54 PM
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All the more to get in your way with what YOU actually want the car to do.
I dislike the way the Evo 9 and 10 feel. I love the way the EVO 8 feels.
I will take mechanical drive train any day of the week. I really dislike the brake based LSD system. If a computer can cut or reduce power to a wheel it will do it when I don't want it to.
Could it be faster than with mechanical system? Sure, it's totally plausible. But will it be as fun? I doubt it. For me drive and the feel matters most. I really like mechanical drive train power biasing. It may be prehistoric, but it feels great.
I dislike the way the Evo 9 and 10 feel. I love the way the EVO 8 feels.
I will take mechanical drive train any day of the week. I really dislike the brake based LSD system. If a computer can cut or reduce power to a wheel it will do it when I don't want it to.
Could it be faster than with mechanical system? Sure, it's totally plausible. But will it be as fun? I doubt it. For me drive and the feel matters most. I really like mechanical drive train power biasing. It may be prehistoric, but it feels great.
Fun in a car or the way it drives or feels is very subjective.
going fast around a corner and phenomenal acceleration off the line and out of corners is what my idea of fun is, and that usually equates to a FASTER car around the street or track.
Wining is almost definitely always more fun losing.
This is why I can not fathom how people can stand driving around the FRZ POS with a measly 140lb-ft torque and claim because it has "good" handling and easily induces oversteer slides from Prius tires that it is a "fun" car.
It is not fun to be passed up by that Minivan up the 680 livermore hill.
02-09-2015, 01:46 PM
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All the more to get in your way with what YOU actually want the car to do.
I dislike the way the Evo 9 and 10 feel. I love the way the EVO 8 feels.
I will take mechanical drive train any day of the week. I really dislike the brake based LSD system. If a computer can cut or reduce power to a wheel it will do it when I don't want it to.
Could it be faster than with mechanical system? Sure, it's totally plausible. But will it be as fun? I doubt it. For me drive and the feel matters most. I really like mechanical drive train power biasing. It may be prehistoric, but it feels great.
I dislike the way the Evo 9 and 10 feel. I love the way the EVO 8 feels.
I will take mechanical drive train any day of the week. I really dislike the brake based LSD system. If a computer can cut or reduce power to a wheel it will do it when I don't want it to.
Could it be faster than with mechanical system? Sure, it's totally plausible. But will it be as fun? I doubt it. For me drive and the feel matters most. I really like mechanical drive train power biasing. It may be prehistoric, but it feels great.
Fun in a car or the way it drives or feels is very subjective.
going fast around a corner and phenomenal acceleration off the line and out of corners is what my idea of fun is, and that usually equates to a FASTER car around the street or track.
Wining is almost definitely always more fun losing.
This is why I can not fathom how people can stand driving around the FRZ POS with a measly 140lb-ft torque and claim because it has "good" handling and easily induces oversteer slides from Prius tires that it is a "fun" car.
It is not fun to be passed up by that Minivan up the 680 livermore hill.
going fast around a corner and phenomenal acceleration off the line and out of corners is what my idea of fun is, and that usually equates to a FASTER car around the street or track.
Wining is almost definitely always more fun losing.
This is why I can not fathom how people can stand driving around the FRZ POS with a measly 140lb-ft torque and claim because it has "good" handling and easily induces oversteer slides from Prius tires that it is a "fun" car.
It is not fun to be passed up by that Minivan up the 680 livermore hill.
That's not to say I wouldn't love driving one, nor is it to say that I wouldn't mind another 100hp in the RS. I just find that over-tired, over-suspensioned cars are more about being seen than they are about having fun behind the wheel.
-Brian
02-09-2015, 02:26 PM
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Fun in a car or the way it drives or feels is very subjective.
going fast around a corner and phenomenal acceleration off the line and out of corners is what my idea of fun is, and that usually equates to a FASTER car around the street or track.
Wining is almost definitely always more fun losing.
This is why I can not fathom how people can stand driving around the FRZ POS with a measly 140lb-ft torque and claim because it has "good" handling and easily induces oversteer slides from Prius tires that it is a "fun" car.
It is not fun to be passed up by that Minivan up the 680 livermore hill.
going fast around a corner and phenomenal acceleration off the line and out of corners is what my idea of fun is, and that usually equates to a FASTER car around the street or track.
Wining is almost definitely always more fun losing.
This is why I can not fathom how people can stand driving around the FRZ POS with a measly 140lb-ft torque and claim because it has "good" handling and easily induces oversteer slides from Prius tires that it is a "fun" car.
It is not fun to be passed up by that Minivan up the 680 livermore hill.
