You know the rest.
It amazes me that in this day and age people are still demanding that the country do/provide stuff to them, but aren't willing to do anything for the country.

So, what have you done for your country?
Nothing(to me) is too small, say protesting against/for any war/cause, registering to vote, buying American Made wher practicle.

Being raised a Socialist Democrat, I started young, when I was in San Francisco during the Dan White Harvey Milk Riots. Anyone who think gays aren't tough needs to see some of the footage shot those nights.
My next highlight happened when I was 11 or 12, with counter-protesting a KKK & Nazi rally in Railroad Square in Santa Rosa. Got some rocks thrown at me, but threw more back, scoring several direct hits. ;)
From there, I went into the Army, completely by accident, and hated/loved every momment I was in.

When the current Iraq War began, every Saturday I went to counter-protest the Socialist Anti American/Jewish folks that held a vigil in Auburn.
Finally, they stopped showing up.

Again, what, if anything, have done for for our country?

Donated a third of my annual income each year...

I was there when the Berlin wall came down and passed out food. I protested the war in Iraq. Helped people register to vote. Stuffed envelopes for whatever campagin my sister was working for at the time. Donate my time at my mothers clinic. Worked in several campagin's for free. Worked at the Austin captial for a representative for a session. Tutored children, not in English of course ;), math while I was in college. Also while growing up when new hispanic students came to whatever school I was going to at the time I would help them out by translating for them. Thats about all I can think of right now. :D

Never threw any rocks. :(

Donated a third of my annual income each year...
That's it!?
Man, you got a long way to go. ;)

Donated a third of my annual income each year...

Hey, so do I! Anything you'd like to add to this?

I was there when the Berlin wall came down and passed out food. I protested the war in Iraq. Helped people register to vote. Stuffed envelopes for whatever campagin my sister was working for at the time. Donate my time at my mothers clinic. Worked in several campagin's for free. Worked at the Austin captial for a representative for a session. Tutored children, not in English of course ;), math while I was in college. Also while growing up when new hispanic students came to whatever school I was going to at the time I would help them out by translating for them. Thats about all I can think of right now. :D
Never threw any rocks. :(

You must have misunderstood the question. Your activities regarding the Berlin wall are N/A, and everything else is an action AGAINST "our" country, as far as I'm concerned.

Of course, I hold the perspective of more than half our country, that much on the liberal agenda is bad for the U.S.

What have I done to give to our nation? Not much, sadly. I went to two recruiters with intent of joining but couldn't stomach the low pay. This was before tthe dot com bubble burst, and I wanted a part of the pie.

Now I'm too old to join. I'll find a way to contribute at some point.

Lets see, what have I done for my country....

Voted Republican every time.

Served in the Army for no other reason but to serve my country. This means I didn't join for money, college or otherwise, I didn't join because I had nowhere else to go, I didn't because I wanted to do all the cool stuff you see in the movies (Lol), and I didn't because all my friends were doing it (They wern't). I did it to give a little back. Knowing damn well that I could go off to war or get sent somewhere to do something that would put my life in danger. I'd do it all again too.

Now I work for the Department of Energy.

I donate every year to various organizations (homeless/animal shelters....etc.)

I don't break the law (except when I speed) and I'm a productive member of society.

I think I'm doing my part.

You must have misunderstood the question. Your activities regarding the Berlin wall are N/A, and everything else is an action AGAINST "our" country, as far as I'm concerned.

Ah yes because helping others in our country is a bad thing. I shouldn't try to help people out and make them better off. You know since keeping them at the lowest income bracket is so good for our country. :rolleyes: Re-read what Oaf wrote, my little Hella smart guy. ;)

Ah yes because helping others in our country is a bad thing. I shouldn't try to help people out and make them better off. You know since keeping them at the lowest income bracket is so good for our country. :rolleyes: Re-read what Oaf wrote, my little Hella smart guy. ;)

The only reason politicians want migrants here (assuming that's what you are referring by "lowest income bracket") is because they do the dirty jobs, and they do it for dirt. I think it's racist, personally.

I'm all for making welfare recipients clean toilets, pick lettuce, AND pay taxes. That would be good for our country.

As far as I'm concerned, lifting up a foreign born worker is the equivalent to stabbing a U.S. born worker in the back. I am NOT referring to legal immigration, btw, at least for the most part.

Served in the Army for no other reason but to serve my country. This means I didn't join for money, college or otherwise, I didn't join because I had nowhere else to go, I didn't because I wanted to do all the cool stuff you see in the movies (Lol), and I didn't because all my friends were doing it (They wern't). I did it to give a little back. Knowing damn well that I could go off to war or get sent somewhere to do something that would put my life in danger. I'd do it all again too.

Good response, Chris.

What did you do in the Army if you don't mind me asking? MOS wise?

Other than spending 2-3 hours a day working to earn my "donation"...
I worked as an engineer on two of our most important strategic platforms. In one case we were implementing fixes that had a direct immediate impact on sortie rates against that Serbian butcher. The other stuff is so secret I'd have to kill you if I told you.
And I took a big salary cut to go into teaching in public schools.

The other stuff is so secret I'd have to kill you if I told you.

You could always hire OLMEK and his father to kill anyone that you might have told about this secret! :D

You could always hire OLMEK and his father to kill anyone that you might have told about this secret! :D

:rotfl:
Note to self: Don't eat Chinese food while reading posts...chicken out the nose hurts!

:rotfl:
Note to self: Don't eat Chinese food while reading posts...chicken out the nose hurts!

KUNG POW!!!

Hahah

The only reason politicians want migrants here (assuming that's what you are referring by "lowest income bracket") is because they do the dirty jobs, and they do it for dirt. I think it's racist, personally.

I'm all for making welfare recipients clean toilets, pick lettuce, AND pay taxes. That would be good for our country.

As far as I'm concerned, lifting up a foreign born worker is the equivalent to stabbing a U.S. born worker in the back. I am NOT referring to legal immigration, btw, at least for the most part.


Working for free at a clinic does not mean I treat just migrants. I treat anyone that shows up. I do it because it helps people get back on there feet quicker and start working again. (Also I admit it makes me feel good about myself.) Hence making money that fuels our economy. That was why I think it helps others. Pluss since my social views differ from yours I would say working for the politicians that I have worked for is good for our country.

Also lifting up a foreign worker does not stab a born US work in the back at all. On the contary they usually do the jobs that other find demeaning. Don't see how them working as orange pickers steals jobs from you. And its hardly racist to help others out who are in need no matter who they are. I have always believed in helping someone out if I am able to. No matter where they come from. Since we are all humans after all.

I joined the Army for a change, and for a good college money program they had. Also, because I errantly believed that it would be as exciting as that which I saw on tv AND that I was bulletproof and invinceable.

Now a little more than 17 years later....

Working for free at a clinic does not mean I treat just migrants. I treat anyone that shows up. I do it because it helps people get back on there feet quicker and start working again. (Also I admit it makes me feel good about myself.) Hence making money that fuels our economy. That was why I think it helps others. Pluss since my social views differ from yours I would say working for the politicians that I have worked for is good for our country.

Also lifting up a foreign worker does not stab a born US work in the back at all. On the contary they usually do the jobs that other find demeaning. Don't see how them working as orange pickers steals jobs from you. And its hardly racist to help others out who are in need no matter who they are. I have always believed in helping someone out if I am able to. No matter where they come from. Since we are all humans after all.

I agree that what you are doing is a noble cause, and the right thing to do. However, much of it doesn't "help the U.S.A."

I'm just saying that the bumbs on welfare should be cleaning toilets and picking oranges. I don't get how people can accept welfare on one hand, but think they are above cleaning toilets.

Not everyone is like that. And my point is helping the needie, ie the poor, is helping the US. In the sense that by making them able to be productive indivduals to society you help the US. Shrug.

Also lifting up a foreign worker does not stab a born US work in the back at all. On the contary they usually do the jobs that other find demeaning. Don't see how them working as orange pickers steals jobs from you. And its hardly racist to help others out who are in need no matter who they are. I have always believed in helping someone out if I am able to. No matter where they come from. Since we are all humans after all.

You're right...kinda.
An illegal isn't gonna take my job, but he/she will raise my taxes.
Ever read "Grapes of Wrath"?
All of the "menial" jobs were getting done long before illegals showed up.
Poor Americans, who couldn't get other types of work, were the "migrant farm workers" before the Feds opened the border to our Southern Neighbor.

It's interesting to see that at about the same time FDR was pushing for his New Deal, more & more Mexicans were being allowed into the border states.

It's just a matter of time before nukes are in the air... and that time is probably going to be a lot sooner than anyone can fathom..

and the whole "...what you can do for your country"...... that has to work both ways. If can not understand that, your just so niave you need to lock yourself in your closet and dont come back out.

You're right...kinda.
An illegal isn't gonna take my job, but he/she will raise my taxes.
Ever read "Grapes of Wrath"?
All of the "menial" jobs were getting done long before illegals showed up.
Poor Americans, who couldn't get other types of work, were the "migrant farm workers" before the Feds opened the border to our Southern Neighbor.

It's interesting to see that at about the same time FDR was pushing for his New Deal, more & more Mexicans were being allowed into the border states.


Shrug, my oppinion is that you need to help them out so that they can help us out. We are no longer in a position where we can ignore them. They are a critical part of our nations way of life. Also I have always believed that if you help better Mexico and get there economy up to speed then we will have a lot less immigration. Just look at how many Canadians come into the US vs Mexicans. Its simple really who wants to move and go to a foreign country to start all over? Especially if they have a secure job at home?

You could always hire OLMEK and his father to kill anyone that you might have told about this secret! :D

Why do you think he and his dad never came back? I KILLED THEM TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111ONEONEONE

Shrug, my oppinion is that you need to help them out so that they can help us out. We are no longer in a position where we can ignore them. They are a critical part of our nations way of life. Also I have always believed that if you help better Mexico and get there economy up to speed then we will have a lot less immigration. Just look at how many Canadians come into the US vs Mexicans. Its simple really who wants to move and go to a foreign country to start all over? Especially if they have a secure job at home?

In agreement 100%.
But, let's do it on their side of the border.
With Mexican pesos rather than US dollars.
How about this: Every illegal that's caught at the border is issued an M-16 & 200 rounds of ammo.
That way, the peasants can finish the Revolucion.
Or...
We charge El Presidente Fox two barrels of Mexican Crude-per-day-per-illegal.
The increased demand on Mexican oil fields will lead to an increase demand of Mexican workers, staunching the Northernly flow of illegals.
Plus, we could tell the ME to **** off & bring our troops home.
While I like this plan better as it kills many birds with one stone, I'm sure some hardcore Socialist will poke it full of holes, like how dare we ask poor people to actually work for their money.

Im not a socialist I can poke some holes in your ideas. ;)

We don't want to strain our relationship with one of our biggest traders. Instead why not use political pressures to change the way they are doing things. Also start importing jobs to Mexico instead of Asia. My reasoning for this is, we still get the cheap labor but we create jobs in a country by us that fuels our economy. I would give incentives to companys that did this instead of companies that go to Asia. It might take a couple or even ten years but hopefully there economy would start to pick up. Next once they are close to ours I would do a system like the Euro for the American continent. The Euro has helped tremendously Europe and I believe a system like this for US would help trade between Canada, US and Mexico and more of the Southern American Countries. Im not a economist but these are just my ideas. I doubt anything like this will ever happen but if it did I believe it would be a move in the right direction in helping us face finacially what China is going to become.