Starting Jan 1st, ALL .50 Cal rifles will be banned in CA. They are now considered assault rifles. Which is funny, because there hasn't been a SINGLE murder using a .50 Cal rifle. Anyway, if you want one, do it soon before you'll never be able to buy one again (unless you leave CA).


(PS: One shot from a .50 cal rifle will take down a helicopter!! :eek: )


(If any of you know how big ammo cans are, you can see how big these friggin bullets are!!)
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Oh man, what I would give for one of those. If I won the lotto, I'd straight up dish out the $7,500 for that bad boy. Imagine pig hunting with that thing. It would would instantly turn that pig to diced bacon. :D Maybe the fact that it can take down a helicopter IS the reason they are outlawing them. :confused: To be honest, this is one weapon I can understand them outlawing. Imagine if those things were to fall in to the wrong hands, i.e. terrorists, both domestic and otherwise. I'm all about owning guns just for the pure sh!ts and giggles of it, but you have to draw the line somewhere, and maybe that is it.

-Chris

But they have ALWAYS been legal... and are legal EVERYWHERE but CA now. There have been no incidents with .50cal.

Its more effective to walk into a store and kill a bunch of people with a glock that holds 19 rounds... than to shoot someone with a .50cal rifle. lol. (They have much cheaper varients... like for $2k)

But they have ALWAYS been legal... and are legal EVERYWHERE but CA now. There have been no incidents with .50cal.

Its more effective to walk into a store and kill a bunch of people with a glock that holds 19 rounds... than to shoot someone with a .50cal rifle. lol. (They have much cheaper varients... like for $2k)

That is VERY true. It's not as if a dude walking around with one of those is going to be very hard to notice, I don't care how baggy their jacket is. Dan, if you or one of your buddies ever gets their hands on something like that, and you guys go shooting, please please please invite me. :D

-Chris

hahah, okay. BYOA!!! (bring your own ammo... cuz each bullet is about $1.50!!!)

I think Im gonna buy two. (Lower recievers... then put them together later... cuz I cant afford a whole gun right now)... (The lower reciever is considered the gun itself... so you can buy it, and buy the upper, etc later. )

But they have ALWAYS been legal... and are legal EVERYWHERE but CA now. There have been no incidents with .50cal.

Its more effective to walk into a store and kill a bunch of people with a glock that holds 19 rounds... than to shoot someone with a .50cal rifle. lol. (They have much cheaper varients... like for $2k)

But if you shoot someone with a handgun there is a lot of evidence. When you hit someone with a .50 cal, there tends to be nothing left if you know what I mean.

i used to my AK today. what a feeling

[QUOTE=brucelee]http://www.barrettrifles.com/military/portfolio/images/1bg.jpg

what a beautiful picture!!!

oh and one shot from a .50 BMG may take out a civillian helicopter, but not much militarily...

I think the govt. is paranoid about terrorists potentially using a 50 cal against fuel and chemical tanks.

Like any terrorist is going to buy a friggin' gun in CALI of all places...

most stupid ranges won't even let you shoot .50BMG anymore...so ghey

I would love to own a Barrett, maybe in another state, some day...

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maryland guns laws rock :)

hahaha, Dre I never thought I'd see you giving props to that...c'mon man, you don't think someone in California would be tempted to take down a ghetto bird if they had one of those?!? Even if they haven't ever done it...Northridge happened right? No one did that before they did either...

northridge was bad...

I'm pissed because I can't buy an RPG at my local Target. Those things are HELLA fun! LOL

rpgs at target would kick ass :)

hahaha

just think of the possibilities guys!!!

I don't really miss shooting that thing...

Great, more crazed yahoos with guns.

Great, more crazed yahoos with guns.

You need to come over to teh politics for this debate...

http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72134&page=2


Not to douse your flame but calling them "crazy guns" is a silly as calling them "assualt rifles" and I think underlines most of the anti gun attitude. That a gun can be bad, when in reality they are inanimate objects. It is people that abuse their rights that are the problem, and you can't stop a free man from doing what he wants, unless you take away his freedom which is the real issue here.

i rather use that $7200 for something else.... goto europe...haha

or on cruise

alan

Which is funny, because there hasn't been a SINGLE murder using a .50 Cal rifle.


Who the hell would carry around a 50 cal around the ghetto trying to cap someone's ass?

Dude don't even get me started, I've seen brucelee's gun collection and the sick look on his face when he's holding a weapon. Another reason for gun control ;)

Hahaha, of course there have never been any murders committed with that thing. When someone commits a murder, the want the other person to be dead, and there is nothing that confirms death quite like a dead body - and using this gun would completey erase any evidence of a person, so how would you know you actually killed someone? It would be like using a handgun to stop salmonella.

Dude don't even get me started, I've seen brucelee's gun collection and the sick look on his face when he's holding a weapon. Another reason for gun control ;)


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Hahaha, of course there have never been any murders committed with that thing. When someone commits a murder, the want the other person to be dead, and there is nothing that confirms death quite like a dead body - and using this gun would completey erase any evidence of a person, so how would you know you actually killed someone? It would be like using a handgun to stop salmonella.

What are you talking about? There is still a leftover bullet, which still has rifling marks. A .50 cal bullet isn't that crazy... it'll blow a limb right off... just like a shotgun would.

Hell, lets ban shotguns!

Its a dumb idea, banning them. I heard that Barret stopped selling them to the LAPD because when they banned them in LA a few years ago they had a Barret on display at the press conference. I love Barret.........

Hey BruceLee, are those a 9mm and a 40 cal or a 40 cal and the new glock 45 with their proprietary cartridge? One looks to have a larger bore than the other.
I own a Colt Commander 9mm 1911. Great gun, though I would rather it be a Sprignfield 45 or better yet a Kimber 1911. My next gun is going to be something in .17hmr, or maybe a cz52, I like the Tokarev cartidge.

yeah I'll take a SMAW, and a couple RPG-7s pls...

rpgs at target would kick ass :)

hahaha

just think of the possibilities guys!!!

Hey BruceLee, are those a 9mm and a 40 cal or a 40 cal and the new glock 45 with their proprietary cartridge? One looks to have a larger bore than the other.
I own a Colt Commander 9mm 1911. Great gun, though I would rather it be a Sprignfield 45 or better yet a Kimber 1911. My next gun is going to be something in .17hmr, or maybe a cz52, I like the Tokarev cartidge.


One is a .45 and the other is a 10mm.

Sweet, you like to be different. Glocks 45 cartridge right, not the ACP?

10mm.

Then you must be a cop killer!!1!!11111one!11

sorry... I can't help but think this way thanks to our ongoing debate in teh politics and MVWRX's idiotic logic. :rolleyes:

yeah banning .50BMG is just weak...

the govt. doesn't instill confidence in their citizens by disarming them...rather the opposite...

10mm rulez.

If all 10mm pistols were built to handle the cartridge as intended, there would be no .40 S&W.....

10mm rulez.

If all 10mm pistols were built to handle the cartridge as intended, there would be no .40 S&W.....

Werd.

A lot of 10mm rounds were too powerful and the FBI got in trouble for hitting innocent people and agents because of it… Criminals also explointed the power of the round in relation to primitive vests of it's time hence “cop killer”

A lot of 10mm manufacturers pulled out of the 10mm market fearing liability for accidents in the LE and civilian world because of it…damn shame too.

cobra assult cannon; state of the art, bang, bang.

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ummm.......really good way to sell yourself there man. i was hoping you would only kick me in the throat, not shoot me.



i love you man LOL

Hey BruceLee, are those a 9mm and a 40 cal or a 40 cal and the new glock 45 with their proprietary cartridge? One looks to have a larger bore than the other.
I own a Colt Commander 9mm 1911. Great gun, though I would rather it be a Sprignfield 45 or better yet a Kimber 1911. My next gun is going to be something in .17hmr, or maybe a cz52, I like the Tokarev cartidge.

i prefer stopping power, i would get two .45 AMP's

What are you talking about? There is still a leftover bullet, which still has rifling marks. A .50 cal bullet isn't that crazy... it'll blow a limb right off... just like a shotgun would.

Hell, lets ban shotguns!

I was just joking, one of these guns aerosol a person pretty easily. NO point in being banned though, but you know - necrophelia is banned too, so there goes all the fun.

FWIW, the barrett rifles, the M82A1 were ALREADY part of the silly "assault" rifle ban.

since they were magazine fed, semi auto with all the "evil" features, like a muzzle brake, pistol grip, etc.

what this DUMB ASS new law will ban are the SINGLE SHOT, BOLT ACTION rifles.

again, there hasnt been a FELONY CRIME in kalifornia where a .50 cal was used.

just a IDIOT LIE_BERAL politician who head is up his ass, just wanted to make a name for him/herself...

time to invent the .55 caliber round...

. I'm all about owning guns just for the pure sh!ts and giggles of it, but you have to draw the line somewhere, and maybe that is it.

-Chris

how about this:

"i'm all for owning cars for sh!ts and giggles but why do we need a car to go over 100mph when the speed limit is 65?"

"i'm all for owning cars for sh!ts and giggles but why do we need a car to go over 100mph when the speed limit is 65?"


Well, the purpose of a car is to transport people. It's top speed is secondary. Of course, a gun's sole purpose is to kill/stop/destroy. Don't get me wrong, I love shootin' them, However if you could also lay carpet, do long division and fix your roof with a gun, then I'd be like "HEY!? BAN? I'm in the middle of making chocolate chip ice cream with it! NO WAY, NU UH". Sure it sucks that a FIFTY ****ING CALIBER RIFLE, WHICH IS MORE THAN YOU WOULD NEED ANYWHERE AT ANYTIME OUTSIDE OF A WAR got banned - but who give's a flying ****? Can't hunt with it, can't really protect yourself with it, can't really do **** with it other than kill things, take pictures of yourself holding it and lookin' real hard (with maybe a photoshop filter thrown in for added hardness *wink-nod*), or pulverising whatever peice of garbage you and your uncle decide to use as target practice that day. The latter is fun to do, and obviously is done the most. I've done it alot, and by its nature the bigger the gun, the funner to shoot - but all the person at the capitol sees when they close their eyes is bank robbers and terrorism and ultimately someone coming after their ass because these big old retarded cannons were left unchecked by them. I don't blame the government for banning them, they don't see the sport side of shooting because in their eyes the people who go out and shoot things for fun are not the kind of people you want to have guns in the first place. Obviously their logic is semi-flawed, but from their standpoint they see it as "bettering society" or whatever, they can sleep at night knowing that they at least might have tried to do a good job.
And before you start howling again, the whole "yeehaw, ya'lls is buttin' in on second 'mendment rights!" slobber, it's useless here, as there are plenty of more efficient weapons to protect yourself in case "someone tries to take your land". If you have use a .50 caliber rifle to stop whoever is coming to take your land, you might as well give up - because it's either the entire country of china on dirtbikes or an elite squad of T. rex ninja hybrids with ****ing shoulder mounted lazers.
Remember when they outlawed potato guns? I still have a huge awesome one in my garage, and nobody gives a damn about it. All outlawing did is effectively double the price - so don't fret about getting them while they are legal, get 'em while they are cheap and still brand name. It's not the oh-so-creatively named "lie_berals" (brilliant one there bud) or the Republicans, it's someone trying to watch their ass, because our system is so screwed up that if some ******* shoots another *******, it's now their responsibilty. It wasn't the fact that the guy was an ******* - oh no, its the gun's fault, and over that, the man who didn't outlaw that gun. An inanimate object. Our system is completely screwed and nobody can take responsabilty for themselves anymore. And its sad for the people who respect guns as the awesome, powerful machines they are because some idiot decides he's going to blow away a few school children with it. Bleh.







But thank god they banned necrophelia, cause that was really starting to be a problem with inner city teens, right guys?

Hell, lets ban shotguns!
Shotguns dont have a range measured in kilometers... :p

I have to say i'm with constellation on this one, minus the use of asteresks. Fuction is what Function does, but I have to say ive always wanted to do what dan does in his spare time :) I've always been facinated by guns, and have always wanted to own one... In fact, I would probably be a damn good shot if I ever do get a chance to try one out. I'm all for hunting, range shooting, spare time shooting in designated areas, collecting antique and collectable guns...
But as a designer I have issues with gun design. An automatic assault weapon serves no purpose outside of full on warfare. I could even say concealable guns offer no purpose outside of military use (personal protection is a legitimate rebutal to this, but its hard to define an exact case where a gun specifically is required for personal protection in public places). The questions about neccesity vs. want do come up alot in this debate, but are rarely addressed, and poorly when they are (fast cars and automatic weapons have nothing in common, and cant be used for comparison).

I'm also just too much of a student of humanity, I never cared about the "criminal elements" and how they get their guns, I worry more about the average joe, AKA you and me, who suffers from a mental breakdown (which happens every day from what ive seen... roadrage, marital rage, going postal at work, neighboorhood rage, alchoholism, etc.) and whom also owns an automatic or concealed weapon at the time fo this mental lapse... This might be the reason why I dont own a gun, because I dont trust myself to not use it if someone were to say run over my cat, or a neighboorhood kid shoots out the window of my car... In fact, its hard for anyone to say they can control them selves mentally in such situations when they occur, especially if you account for potential things like alchohol being involved (say your at a bar one night having a good time, and you come out and someone is smashing up your car and you have a gun in the glove compartment...)

Everyone talks about criminal activity and guns, or on the extreme side, someones kid finding a gun in the house and having an "accident", but you really have to include all the possibilities of negative uses and not just the fact that you really really want to own a gun for fun when you think about gun control...

How many people have been killed with shotguns? Thousands... how many with .50 cal rifles? None.

Your logic is FLAWED.

How many people have been killed with shotguns? Thousands... how many with .50 cal rifles? None.

Your logic is FLAWED.


Um, well.....You seemed to have missed the point entirely. The amount of people who have been killed by whatever is a nonfactor.
Here's a squeaky toy, have fun. I give up.

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That is the most sic, most ill picture I have ever seen. I hope I have kids like you. lol.

That is the most sic, most ill picture I have ever seen. I hope I have kids like you. lol.

I'm lucky, my son is like me...

Wow, Oaf. The very first thing I was taught about guns is that you treat them as though they are always loaded. The second thing was that if you are holding a gun and anybody is in front of you, the barrel points to the ground, away from your feet.

But what do I know, I'm just a hick from the midwest.

Wow, Oaf. The very first thing I was taught about guns is that you treat them as though they are always loaded. The second thing was that if you are holding a gun and anybody is in front of you, the barrel points to the ground, away from your feet.

But what do I know, I'm just a hick from the midwest.

You're absolutely right...I cringed at Brucelee's apparent lack of trigger discipline.

Anyway, Mini Oaf's photo is somewhat staged.
After I killed the rattler with the S&W .357 Magnum, REMOVED every round/spent casing from the wheel before allowing him to handle it.

You're absolutely right...I cringed at Brucelee's apparent lack of trigger discipline.

Dude, he just dont give a crap, can't you tell by the photoshop filter and staticX haircut? :D

Um, well.....You seemed to have missed the point entirely. The amount of people who have been killed by whatever is a nonfactor.
Here's a squeaky toy, have fun. I give up.


I did get your point, but it doesn't make sense. (Logically speaking of course).



Oh yeah, and in regards to the pics... notice they aren't loaded? And what kind of picture would that be if I didnt have my fingers on the triggers?

I did get your point, but it doesn't make sense. (Logically speaking of course).

Nah, it makes perfect sense. Ultimately, they were banned to prevent lawsuits against the state.

But yeah, those pictures would suck if you didn't have your finger on the trigger. It's sort of the difference between a picture of you petting a tiger, and a picture of you punching a tiger in the face.

Nah, it makes perfect sense. Ultimately, they were banned to prevent lawsuits against the state.


How exactly would the state face lawsuits?

Oh yeah, and in regards to the pics... notice they aren't loaded? And what kind of picture would that be if I didnt have my fingers on the triggers?

I'm just busting yer chops.

But back to the topic at hand.

I think this is gonna be the best $3k I ever spent! I wasn't going to buy one, but, now that they're on the "endangered species" list...

http://www.armalite.com/sales/catalog/rifles/new50.jpg

How exactly would the state face lawsuits?

Not the state so much, but if some whiny ass group or individual started causing a fuss after an incident involving one of these guns, the problem would trickle upwards until it found a suitable person to act as the fallguy - the guy who didn't outlaw the rifle. So, what i'm guessing the reason this thing got banned is because somebody up in the capitol imagined a worst-case-scenario involving one of these things and went "oh ****, it's my ass if something happens here!". It doesn't matter if there are deadlier weapons on the market that are legal or whatever, because once pictures of this thing got put on the news after an incident, a whole bunch of people would cry "OMFG, why wasn't this thing outlawed already?" - and of course, when they go looking for answers they are going to come to the aformentioned fallguy.

This gun serves no purpose in the hands of civilians other than the fact that it's ****ing awesome, and sadly, thats not enough of a reason to keep it legal. If it were I'd be in my bedroom smoking opium and playing "night trap" on the sega CD and not giving a rats ass about this stupid thread. For the people at the capitol, whatever the hell they are, the risk of keeping them legal is just too high - not because they are afraid somthing will happen - all the outlawing in the world wont stop the inevitable - but in the case that something does happen and somebody says "AND THEY USED THIS GUN!!!!", the people in the capitol can issue a formal response saying " Yo D, we outlawed these biches already, don't come to us".

Does that make sense?

How exactly would the state face lawsuits?

Remember when California voters were duped into passing Prop 65 (www.oehha.ca.gov/prop65/background/p65plain.html)?

While in theory it sounds good, notice which two groups don't have to comply: small employers & the STATE!
The state can expose their workers to toxic substances and provide no warning about it.

I'm just busting yer chops.

But back to the topic at hand.

I think this is gonna be the best $3k I ever spent! I wasn't going to buy one, but, now that they're on the "endangered species" list...

http://www.armalite.com/sales/catalog/rifles/new50.jpg


Hey Oaf, isn't that riflealready banned anyway since it has a flash suppressor and a pistol grip? I know the pistol grip rule keeps me from gettin an SKS with a dragunov stock. Or does it? Anyone know if I can buy a standard SKS and then add a Fiberforce replica Dragunov stock later?

-Chris

guns don't kill people, pistol grips kill people.

guns don't kill people, pistol grips kill people.


Hahaha. That seems to be the theory... :confused:

-Chris

As it's a bolt action & feed by an internal/non-detatchable magazine, it was not banned...until that bag of douche Governator signed the latest idiotic ban.

As it's a bolt action & feed by an internal/non-detatchable magazine, it was not banned...until that bag of douche Governator signed the latest idiotic ban.


So the pistol grip is not a factor? Sweet.

-Chris

You can now have pistol grips, and other things on your rifles now, since the AWB expired.

You can now have pistol grips, and other things on your rifles now, since the AWB expired.

Whoa...that's incorrect for California residents.
The AWB that expired on Monday was a Federal law & since PRK has it's own AWB,
these types of weapons are still verboten here.

Whoa...that's incorrect for California residents.
The AWB that expired on Monday was a Federal law & since PRK has it's own AWB,
these types of weapons are still verboten here.


No, thats not true. CA residents can now add flash sups, etc to their pre-ban rifles. However, they CANNOT buy new rifles because of the charactoristics thing.

Chris, that mostly serves as a muzzle break, not so much as a flash suppressor and arguably so...


If you've ever shot one then you'd understand what I mean... ;) The one's i had the privilege of shooting were recoilless and some weren't. Regardless, I wouldn't touch the one Oaf pictured with a 10ft poll because it looks too light and rigid... my idea of fun isn't a dislocated shoulder.

Proper form to eliminate most of the recoil is to keep one leg in a continuous line with the weapon and boot firmly planted into the soil.

No, thats not true. CA residents can now add flash sups, etc to their pre-ban rifles. However, they CANNOT buy new rifles because of the charactoristics thing.

I see what you mean, but...

I'm gonna write CADOJ a letter asking for clarification, which is what I did when CA banned the importation of "standard capacity" magazines.
CADOJ wrote me saying that it is PERFECTLY LEGAL to import magazine components to use as spare parts for pre ban mags.
After the CA ban, I'd order mags from out of state vendors, have them shipped to compadres in friendly states, who would then disassemble the mags & ship them off to me.

nice loophole...too bad that doesn't work with kindbud..."I took the buds off of the stems and mailed them in seperatly from BC so it's legal..." hahahhahaha

i want guns :)

MD has better gun laws then ca :)

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i want guns :)

MD has better gun laws then ca :)

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Sheeet...Japan has better gun laws than PRK.