http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/14/mccain.marriage/

You tell em!!!

You know our system is ****ed up when McCain and Powell are nowhere even close to being viable presidential candidiates. :(

Like I've been saying, the GOP has been overrun by corporate whore zealots.

The sad thing is that the few left with an ounce of integrity aren't calling the rest of them out on it or declaring themselves as independants, McCain deserves props- even from me, for standing up here.

The originators of the republican party must be spinning in their graves.

The originators of the republican party must be spinning in their graves.
My thoughts exactally. What is the republican party today is soo much diffrent that what it was founded on.

McCain is the man. I'm typically liberal with my vote but I'd elect him in a heartbeat. One of the few in power who truly cares about his job and its effect on America.

I am pissed off about the Republicans always looking for new Constitutional amendments every congresional cycle- balanced budget, abortion, same-sex marriage.. next one will probably be obscenity. Even though I'm on the liberal side of all those issues, I don't care that the conservatives are against those things. They're entitled to their views, and we count votes to see who gets their way. But NONE of those things are Constitutional matters. They are matters of law to be determined by the "several states." I know, Roe v. Wade isn't state level law, but it's not part of the Constitution either and that's the important part.

Hey, Congressional conservatives- cop a clue. If you don't have enough votes in the House and Senate to make a law, it DOESN'T get made a law! That's how it freakin works around here!

Like I've been saying, the GOP has been overrun by corporate whore zealots.

The sad thing is that the few left with an ounce of integrity aren't calling the rest of them out on it or declaring themselves as independants, McCain deserves props- even from me, for standing up here.

The originators of the republican party must be spinning in their graves.


Both parties are overrun by corporate whore zealots. They only differ on social issues.

McCain is the man. I'm typically liberal with my vote but I'd elect him in a heartbeat. One of the few in power who truly cares about his job and its effect on America.

I am pissed off about the Republicans always looking for new Constitutional amendments every congresional cycle- balanced budget, abortion, same-sex marriage.. next one will probably be obscenity. Even though I'm on the liberal side of all those issues, I don't care that the conservatives are against those things. They're entitled to their views, and we count votes to see who gets their way. But NONE of those things are Constitutional matters. They are matters of law to be determined by the "several states." I know, Roe v. Wade isn't state level law, but it's not part of the Constitution either and that's the important part.

Hey, Congressional conservatives- cop a clue. If you don't have enough votes in the House and Senate to make a law, it DOESN'T get made a law! That's how it freakin works around here!

hmm

so say I am totally against something, but my constituents are complete for it, and they are the ones that got me elected, and possible re-elected. If there is not enough votes for it to even come close to passing, I am going to hoot and hollar about it and how much we need this to pass !

it has nothing to with them knowing it wont pass, its the politicians giving lip service so they can tell people in the future they tried their best, even though they don't give a rats ass about it

Both parties are overrun by corporate whore zealots. They only differ on social issues.

But McCain has always been a stand-up guy in my opinion. He's a true war hero and a well-rounded American. If you've ever payed attention to his interviews and articles (based on him) you'd realize he's not in office to hold hands or follow suit like other politicians in a political jello mold.

Basically, he thinks outside the box and keeps it fair.

There are a few on the other side of the aisle too, Robert Byrd comes to mind, not that his early history is much to be proud of, at least he's come around to standing on principles the last couple of years.

And I like having Barbara Lee representing us Berkeley folks back in DC, despite her being a democrat, I think she still has some integrity, even if I don't always support her positions-most of the time I do.

at the core I am a Republican. Less govt is better. But these days the distinctions are few and far between.

If you think you are a republican, but aren't excited about this administrations direction, you are probably more of a Libertarian than you know.....especially about the "less government is better" bit.

Republican administrations and congresses have grown the government every bit as much, if not a lot more than their democrat counterparts- both major parties are really bad that way.

I wanted McCain back in '00, but he backed out and supported W.

I truly like him, it's unfortunate that he's not our President now.

McCain condemns anti-Kerry ads (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/08/05/politics1020EDT0544.DTL), calls on White House to follow suit. Calls current anti-Kerry campaign ads questioning military service as "dishonest and dishonorable".

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"…axles of evil…" - george w. bush

McCain condemns anti-Kerry ads (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/08/05/politics1020EDT0544.DTL), calls on White House to follow suit. Calls current anti-Kerry campaign ads questioning military service as "dishonest and dishonorable".

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"…axles of evil…" - george w. bush


Good find, Alan.

As much as i like McCain and don't agree with him on this one. This is a dirty election and he had to expect some pretty low blows from Bush and Kerry. Time will soon make everything go away come November.

Seems the Whitehouse has follwed suit and already distanced themselves from the ads.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040805/pl_afp/us_vote_ads_040805184948

They have to distance themselves from the Swiftboat vets because NONE of those guys that are in that ad actually served on Kerry's swiftboat. NONE of them! Not a one! They were all on swiftboats but not on Kerry's but all of a sudden they know what went down on his boat.

:rolleyes:

A local radio station called leader of the swiftvets.com campaign and asked them some real questions and they really couldn't answer any of them because they weren't on the boat with him!

In one interview about one of Kerry's purple hearts one of the swiftvets is saying that they weren't taking fire when kerry pulled that guy out of the water (which earned him a purple heart) Well come to find out that guy was on a boat that was on the same river and they didn't take fire so kerry's boat couldn't have taken fire. Kerry says they took fire. The guy that he pulled out says they were taking fire but I am supposed to believe this guy who wasn't even there when he says they weren't...OK It's laughable really.

They have to distance themselves from the Swiftboat vets because NONE of those guys that are in that ad actually served on Kerry's swiftboat. NONE of them! Not a one! They were all on swiftboats but not on Kerry's but all of a sudden they know what went down on his boat.

:rolleyes:

I really don't think there was any relations between Swiftboat veterans for truth and the Bush Administration to begin with and there's really no hard evidence. I honestly believe that the veterans had bad impressions of Kerry through word of mouth on his actions in Vietnam (called "Joe-rumors" in the military which are extremely common) OR they were offended when he denounced himself (and other veterans) and his actions on numerous public occasions.

Seems rational to me... Kerry belittles his actions as a Swiftboat skipper which makes the rest of the Swiftboat veterans feel betrayed and categorized. This grudge stuck with them all until they finally had the chance to get revenge and belittle him. Doing so would most likely help the veterans for truth cope with their action(s) in Vietnam and make them appear patriotic.

Furthermore, if the GOP was funding this group and word got out about it then every single one of these veterans would be unbecoming. They might as well take their medals earned in Vietnam and wipe their asses because they forgot about their integrity as servicemen... something that's drilled into the psyche from week one at bootcamp. That said, there's too much at risk for these men when they go public and are being privately funded. I'd like to think any sum of money isn't worth risking your legacy as a veteran and the awards of valor earned.

They have to distance themselves from the Swiftboat vets because NONE of those guys that are in that ad actually served on Kerry's swiftboat. NONE of them! Not a one! They were all on swiftboats but not on Kerry's but all of a sudden they know what went down on his boat.

:rolleyes:

A local radio station called leader of the swiftvets.com campaign and asked them some real questions and they really couldn't answer any of them because they weren't on the boat with him!

In one interview about one of Kerry's purple hearts one of the swiftvets is saying that they weren't taking fire when kerry pulled that guy out of the water (which earned him a purple heart) Well come to find out that guy was on a boat that was on the same river and they didn't take fire so kerry's boat couldn't have taken fire. Kerry says they took fire. The guy that he pulled out says they were taking fire but I am supposed to believe this guy who wasn't even there when he says they weren't...OK It's laughable really.


got a link to the interview?? would love to hear that one..

I really don't think there was any relations between Swiftboat veterans for truth and the Bush Administration to begin with and there's really no hard evidence.

I don't believe that the GOP is funding them either. To me it is just common sense says they are going to distance themselves because the men in that ad have no credibility when you dig past the actual commercial and realize what the facts were. Is Kerry's service a little shady? Sure it is but there is no comparison to GWB's military record or should I say missing military record. It all sounds fishy to me. On both sides. I just wish we had a better choice!

I'd like to think any sum of money isn't worth risking your legacy as a veteran and the awards of valor earned.

Don't underestimate the power of money because it can make a man do things that normally one would not think possible.

The Bush campaign did the same thing to McCain in the primarys leading up to the 2000 election and questioned his military record so it would not suprise me if they were behind it but I doubt it.

I don't believe that the GOP is funding them either. To me it is just common sense says they are going to distance themselves because the men in that ad have no credibility when you dig past the actual commercial and realize what the facts were. Is Kerry's service a little shady? Sure it is but there is no comparison to GWB's military record or should I say missing military record. It all sounds fishy to me. On both sides. I just wish we had a better choice!



Don't underestimate the power of money because it can make a man do things that normally one would not think possible.

The Bush campaign did the same thing to McCain in the primarys leading up to the 2000 election and questioned his military record so it would not suprise me if they were behind it but I doubt it.


GOP isnt funding them, but people WITH STRONG GOP TIES ARE!!

IE O'neill who has been on the kerry war path for 20+ years..... Nixon hired him to start on kerry 20+ years ago... HE STILL IS AT IT!!

Oh and a guy by the name of PERRY (owner of perry homes) donated 100k to them as well.

Cant wait for this next quarters forms to come out...

http://forms.irs.gov/politicalOrgsSearch/search/Print.action?formId=13244&formType=E72

even gives the peoples names and addresses, including phone numbers.

http://forms.irs.gov/politicalOrgsSearch/search/Print.action?formId=12386&formType=E71

got a link to the interview?? would love to hear that one..

I emailed the radio station and asked them if they could send me a link to the audio or the transcript. I will let you guys know if I find anything out.

awesome, if they dont post it ask for an electronic copy and i will host it :)


I want to hear that interview, would be awesome if the radio station would make it freely avalible. (GOOD PR AS WELL)


what radio station? so i can contact them as well..

101.1 WRIF in Detroit

www.wrif.com

Drew & Mike in the morning....They are very pro-bush too but they found the swiftvets.com thing unsettling....

what show was it on?

GOP isnt funding them, but people WITH STRONG GOP TIES ARE!!

Think of it as thought laundering ;)

Still no relation to the GOP so your point is invalid. Even if you claim others have strong ties with Bush, what they decide to do with their money (via donation) is entirely up to them.

i like john mccain

heard him speak in person back in may when i went to a friends graduation at my old school. he did a great job. really good guy. he would make a much better president

101.1 WRIF in Detroit

www.wrif.com

Drew & Mike in the morning....They are very pro-bush too but they found the swiftvets.com thing unsettling....


any word yet??

GOP isnt funding them, but people WITH STRONG GOP TIES ARE!!
IE O'neill who has been on the kerry war path for 20+ years..... Nixon hired him to start on kerry 20+ years ago... HE STILL IS AT IT!!
Oh and a guy by the name of PERRY (owner of perry homes) donated 100k to them as well.
Cant wait for this next quarters forms to come out...

Who cares? Do you think Moveon.org is funded by Republicans? Get real.

All of these veterans have sworn affidavits and are happen to be funded by people who want to get out their message. Would any liberal fund them? Yeah right. Do you think moveon will air the message for them?

I think everyone should see this commercial and judge Kerry for themself.
Even if 1 of the 25+ affidavits passes your scrutiny it mean Kerry has some serious character flaws.

Who cares? Do you think Moveon.org is funded by Republicans? Get real.

All of these veterans have sworn affidavits and are happen to be funded by people who want to get out their message. Would any liberal fund them? Yeah right. Do you think moveon will air the message for them?

I think everyone should see this commercial and judge Kerry for themself.
Even if 1 of the 25+ affidavits passes your scrutiny it mean Kerry has some serious character flaws.


What message?

You are mistaken you mean their lies.... like i said please do prove to me that these men are what they say they are. Show me how they SERVED WITH KERRY.....

GIve me dates and battalion numbers. I think you will be a bit surprised at what you dig up.

Who cares? Do you think Moveon.org is funded by Republicans? Get real.

All of these veterans have sworn affidavits and are happen to be funded by people who want to get out their message. Would any liberal fund them? Yeah right. Do you think moveon will air the message for them?

I think everyone should see this commercial and judge Kerry for themself.
Even if 1 of the 25+ affidavits passes your scrutiny it mean Kerry has some serious character flaws.

Moveon.org is very liberal and is funded by liberals, however, I don't see them making false accusations that the Kerry campaign has to denounce publicly. That is the argument here. It appears you have lost your focus, HellaDumb.

I think all the answers you are asking will be answered on this page Dre

Veterans For Truth (http://swift1.he.net/~swiftvet/index.php)

all the records of when they served and with who are answered there.

So one of two things are happening here.

1) Its one huge conspiracy among almost 250 people that are involved with their campaign and website

2) They speak the truth and what they say actually did happen


I will put money on #2

any word yet??

Just got back into town and nothing from the morning crew at WRIF yet. Hopefully they will reply.