4400 mi, garaged kept. Hardly driven. Perfect Cond. Trying to buy a house.
$30,500 obo... Blue book is 31,500.
http://cars0.ipixmedia.com/abc/cars/_CARS_9a1244c822a81b2f7f326794edeaae37/i-1.JPGhttp://cars0.ipixmedia.com/abc/cars/_CARS_9a1244c822a81b2f7f326794edeaae37/i-2.JPG http://cars0.ipixmedia.com/abc/cars/_CARS_9a1244c822a81b2f7f326794edeaae37/i-6.JPG http://cars0.ipixmedia.com/abc/cars/_CARS_9a1244c822a81b2f7f326794edeaae37/i-8.JPG

Click Here: http://cars.kbb.com/search/used/cc/standard/results/single/ld/detail.jhtml?paId=141591038&aff=carskbb&src=&cid=null

Aren't dealers selling these new for $28,500?

No, thats the EVO RS, basically a stripped track edition EVO

TVA

Not an rs

http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=147881428&dealer_id=68570&car_year=2003&make=MIT&distance=any&max_price=35000&model=LANCER&advcd_on=n&end_year=2003&min_price=20000&certified=n&address=44256&search_type=used&advanced=n&start_year=2003&color=&cardist=397

not an rs either

http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=157032940&dealer_id=1147053&car_year=2003&make=MIT&distance=any&max_price=35000&model=LANCER&advcd_on=n&end_year=2003&min_price=20000&first_record=26&certified=n&address=44256&search_type=used&advanced=n&start_year=2003&=&color=&cardist=944

just trying to help you out.

I know it seems a little high, but you have to add all the other charges when you buy from the dealer.... Tax, licence, registration.... ect..

Originally posted by atcvader
I know it seems a little high, but you have to add all the other charges when you buy from the dealer.... Tax, licence, registration.... ect..

You are not a dealer.

Originally posted by Mach5WRX
You are not a dealer. I don't remember saying that I was. The dealers out the door cost would be around $32-$33,000.

Originally posted by atcvader
I don't remember saying that I was. The dealers out the door cost would be around $32-$33,000.

and with almost no miles compared to 4k.

You still have to pay tax on a used car too, and registration, and title fees. I can see I'm beating a dead horse here, and this is getting off topic, but there is no way you'll get what your asking for your car. Do a search on autotrader and you'll see that evo's are going for as low as high $24's with your kind of mileage.

I'm done.

Good luck with your sale.

It seems nobody can post a topic without some sort of sarcastic remark being thrown in the mix. Let the guy ask what he wants and see if he'll get any takers. I'm sure if some of you were put in a position to sell a car, you would ask as much as you thought was fair for your car. Let him figure out if its too high when their aren't many bites. It's alot easier to lower the price than to take a $2k hit on a car that could have been sold for more than he asked. In the end, it's his decision to ask what he wants, respect it, pass the word along, and give constructive crisitism, not flames.....

my $.02

Originally posted by RBothell
It seems nobody can post a topic without some sort of sarcastic remark being thrown in the mix.

give constructive crisitism, not flames.....

my $.02

i-club without sarcasm would be boring-


my $.02
;)

Originally posted by gdogg
i-club without sarcasm would be boring-


my $.02
;)

:D :D :banana:

a customer came by our dealership came by today- said he visited us ealier... he just bought a s2000 and a evo 8. he loves them both. the only problem-he never test drove an sti when he visited us. i was a little impressed by his car(he even let me drive it) in turn i let him test drive one of our sti's. BIG MISTAKE. he didn't admit it openly, but he gave the notion that he should have test drove the sti before buying the evo. grant it both cars are similar, but even he said his evo will never come close in terms of h.p. potential.

its amazing how both cars have that characteristic tire noise. but the sti's brakes much louder! i also noticed rust by the headers(i'm sure its natural) but seemed slightly premature(being that the vent is right above it)

whats my point?? LOL i have no idea. i kinda like the evo now...wish i could have that car too! better seats! but anyways ask what u believe to be the best price(keep in mind that the market has been soft for mitsus-at least here in hawaii)- allow room for negotiation. . . but don't get your feelings hurt knowing this is a SUBARU forum after all:) if u sell it 25 OTD i might consider it:D

thanks gdogg.. and RBothell.. I had a wrx too, -had to sell it. Actually I traded it in for a Navigator. I too think it's a little high, but I'm already losing money as it is...

local dealers here in SJ had evo's advertised for $27,990, if you add +/- 10% that would be around $30,789

Originally posted by carnut
local dealers here in SJ had evo's advertised for $27,990, if you add +/- 10% that would be around $30,789

You still have to pay tax on a used vehicle when you register it.

So $30,500 + %10 = $33,550

you do but that can be negotiated with the seller.

Originally posted by carnut
you do but that can be negotiated with the seller.

only by lying to the BMV/DMV about the purchase price.

there was an sti on here that had like at least 2000 in suspension stuff alone selling for the same price as this ... i worship the evo but for that price might as well get a brand spankin new one

You can buy this same car for 27k with no miles, regardles to who throws what in the mix. How can you buy this car and not pay sales tax, reg etc???

And you can lie all you want, when it comes to sales tax, they go by book value

I'll give you 22k for the car, think about it

oh, and cash by the way

Originally posted by elcue824
And you can lie all you want, when it comes to sales tax, they go by book value

Very few states do this. The purchaser is required to submit a bill of sale when obtaining a new title in his or her state. If the seller is not present when the title is transferred, and a bill of sale not present, then and only then is fair market or "book value" used to calculate sales tax.

I'll give the guy $22,001 cash! :D

Of course you're taking a loss...it's a used car that you bought new. On a different note, KBB lists private party on that car at about $28,500, which isn't that far off from what you're asking. I know very little about your car or the demand on one like yours, but it's pretty common to get $1000 over kbb private party...just don't expect to do it somewhere like a forum, you need to find a ...less knowledgable market and have no urgency to sell it (although something like this will depreciate quickly).

Edit: And since when do you pay sales tax twice? You might want to get your facts straight on that. When you buy from dealers, you pay it once. When you buy private party, none...just like any other private party purchase. Are you getting confused with something else?

Originally posted by jkd64


Edit: And since when do you pay sales tax twice? You might want to get your facts straight on that. When you buy from dealers, you pay it once. When you buy private party, none...just like any other private party purchase. Are you getting confused with something else?

I'm not the seller.

However, if I were to buy his car from him and then title it in my state I would have to pay local sales tax on the vehicle. Every state is virtually the same way. Don't believe me...call your local BMV and ask them if you have to pay sales tax when you title a used vehicle. Your right though...you don't pay the seller sales tax. You pay your state or local municipality. Sucks, but it's the law.

Originally posted by elcue824
I'll give you 22k for the car, think about it

:eek: i-club, where lowballers dwell! i love it!

hell, i'm sure people here would throw down $25k in benjamins for this car.

goodluck on the sale.

db

Originally posted by SilentSLJ
I'm not the seller.

However, if I were to buy his car from him and then title it in my state I would have to pay local sales tax on the vehicle. Every state is virtually the same way. Don't believe me...call your local BMV and ask them if you have to pay sales tax when you title a used vehicle. Your right though...you don't pay the seller sales tax. You pay your state or local municipality. Sucks, but it's the law.

Let me explain this once again, you do not pay SALES tax on ANY private party purchase. There are fees involved with regiistering a vehicle bought used, but none of them are sales tax.

Originally posted by jkd64
Let me explain this once again, you do not pay SALES tax on ANY private party purchase. There are fees involved with regiistering a vehicle bought used, but none of them are sales tax.

O.K. I can see this is turning into a flame session, but to prove my point I just got off the phone with NC DMV. Melody was very nice. Every state is slightly different, but they get there money somehow.

Here's the number if you don't believe me. Call NCDMV's Customer Service Office 919-715-7000. You pay what's called Highway use tax. However, this is in lieu of sales tax, but it's essentially the same thing. Every state is different, but they will collect a percentage of sales price of the vehicle. Here is the excerpt from frequently asked questions on the NCDOT website.

"What is Highway Use Tax?

North Carolina collects a 3% Highway Use Tax on vehicles in lieu of a state sales tax (General Statute 105-187.2). The tax is assessed each time a title is transferred. The maximum tax for commercial vehicles (vehicles with a weight greater than 26,000 pounds) is $1,000.00. All other vehicles are charged 3% with no ceiling."


If the vehicle is purchased from a Dealer or a Leasing Company, the tax is 3% of the purchase price, less any trade in credit. A bill of sale must accompany each application. Vehicles purchased from anyone other than a dealer must pay a 3% tax based on the vehicle's value according to a value table maintained by the North Carolina Division of Motor Vehicles. "

Every state in the Union will charge a percentage of the vehicle sale price every time a title changes hands. 3% is pretty good considering most states charge basic sales tax. However, your annual registration fees are slightly higher than others, and that's how they get the rest of their money. Call it what you will, you still pay a fee based on a percentage of the SALES price, and that in a nutshell is sales tax.


Last year I purchased 5 automobiles (max allowed w/out dealers license) in different states and shipped them to Ohio to sell. I did not pay sales tax in the states that I purchased these vehicles. However, In order to sell them in Ohio I needed Ohio titles. In order to obtain an Ohio title, I must pay sales tax on these vehicles unless I have a dealers license. Don't assume that just because your laws are one way in North Carolina doesn't mean they are the same in all other states. ie Arizona, New Mexico, Ohio, Texas, Kentucky, etc..

I can't quite say that I see this as a "flame session." There was a reason why I capitolized sales in sales tax. As said in my post, there are fees involved, none of them are sales tax. My primary point was that it's not sales tax. I too am in NC, temporarily. I've neither bought nor sold a car here (but looking for one, which is the main reason I'm here in the first place). However, I sold cars (subaru included)for a good bit of my adult life (never again) and averaged over 14 a month for about 3 years. The info I was basing this on was the Georgia laws which I'm familiar with, apparently their fees are much, much less than the majority of the states. BTW, I'm looking for a good deal on a Subaru wagon (Outback, Legacy or Impreza, 00 or newer, 70k or less miles, below KBB private party value), if you find one that meets the criteria that you don't want, email me. If I purchase it I would be happy to pay a "bird dog" fee. jkd64@yahoo.com if you have any questions

Originally posted by SilentSLJ
O.K. I can see this is turning into a flame session, but to prove my point I just got off the phone with NC DMV. Melody was very nice. Every state is slightly different, but they get there money somehow.



SilentSLJ is correct, just give it up, you pay sales tax to the US Govt. everytime something is bought or sold. Unless they are small items that don't need to be registered. On another note kbb doesn't do a good job with market value, what they quote is always higher that what is being bought and sold in the market. For a more upto prices check out www.edmunds.com
The prices they quote are always lower than kbb but its more inline with whats out there on the market.

Once again, you don't pay SALES tax...but what would I know, I have
1. Sold somewhere in the neighborhood of 500 cars (which is where this discussion originated)
2. Owned an operated in antique store
3. Have a degree in marketing management with a minor in business law. would you like me to go on?

BTW, this may not be the case where you are, but in southeast markets KBB is much more accurate for most cars.

Sorry I shoulda known better than to get involved into a pissing contest ..... =)

The only thing you did wrong was not know what you're talking about.

Originally posted by jkd64
Once again, you don't pay SALES tax...but what would I know, I have
1. Sold somewhere in the neighborhood of 500 cars (which is where this discussion originated)
2. Owned an operated in antique store
3. Have a degree in marketing management with a minor in business law. would you like me to go on?


OK dude. I give up. You must be right. The laws where you sold cars must be exactly the same as the laws in every other state in the union. And of course you must have sold cars in every state in the country to know this. Your "law" degree must have included state tax laws of every state in the country too. Your right! I must be stupid for paying Medina County all that money when I titled my vehicles. They sure pulled the wool over my eyes when I bought my cars. They probably figured here's a young dumb fella. Lets see if we can get him to believe he has to pay sales tax on these cars.

NOT!

Listen. Your missing the point. Like I said earlier. What may be true in Georgia or North Carolina or where ever it is your from(which I actually disproved NC in a previous post) is not necessarily true in other states. This is a country wide forum. I don't know what the laws are in Georgia because I've never sold or purchased a car there. I just looked up the laws in North Carolina because that's where you live, and you did see that you pay a percentage of the value or price of the vehicles net worth. So spouting out that you never pay sales tax is misleading to someone who may live in another state. The end.

Also, touting your degrees and accomplishments does not impress us. If you do have a law degree, what were you doing selling cars?

Originally posted by jkd64
The only thing you did wrong was not know what you're talking about.

I was going to let it go with a joke but .....

Sure .... I don't know what I'm talking about and all the millions of other people in the US who pay taxes on the second hand cars they buy.
Please don't even try bringing you educational background into this because there are more educated people than you in this forum..... myself included

Oh the kbb issue ... checked ebay for second hand cars recently? How about Autotrader? I you'll see that one that are close to edmunds value sell a lot quicker than those set at kbb (if they even sell).... but hey you can make a fool out someone sometimes ..

Again I don't want to get involved in a pissing contest..... believe what you may ....

Anyway, now that we have all completely hijacked this poor guy's thread. Bump for his EVO sale. Hope you sell it.

In Ca, when you buy a used private party vehicle, you DO NOT have to submit a bill of sale, you just tell them how much you paid for the car or write it in if your submitting the pink slip from the previous owner assuming they had it in hand. You ARE required to pay for the sales tax that you report to the DMV.

To the original poster, you might as well put it on E bay and try your chances because I would just laugh if someone offered me $22K for my evo ( I don't own one) You would be surprised what you can get for your EVO, the whole country will be able to see your car, just take some good pics. Have you had any solid offers?

Absolutely astounding that you still don't understand the issue with SALES tax. I guess I am to assume that all government fees are sales taxes? I pay property taxes, etc...since they are a % of a value, I'll just assume it's SALES tax.
Silent-if you paid SALES tax on that car, yes they did. And since when did I say I've sold cars since I got the degree? And my "law degree" as you put it taught me enough to know you don't pay a SALES tax on private party purchases in the US.
As to your reference to ebay, of course people look for GOOD DEALS on there. If cars sold for average market value on there, it would be all but useless to all but the people looking for high demand/hard to find items. Of couse a car (or whatever else for that matter) will sell quicker if it is below value. I could get on ebay right now and sell my original Dali for $10 buy it now and it would be gone in a hurry, so I guess it would be fair to say that it's market value for it.
DaWorstPlaya- With a handle like that I should have just assumed you the intellectual. Can I also assume that both your degree and your job pertain to what we're discussing? My wife is a radiologist and she too could proclaim the same of her education, but neither her nor I are under the delusion that she would know more about this than I do.

Anybody know how to host an image? I scanned a copy of my title receipt to show this moron once and for all. You must be either totally inept, or just trying to get our goat, or maybe both.

An account at starphoto.com would be easy to set up, then just link to the picture. :-)

dorks...

bump for the sale