:lol:


Why can't Palin just give a real answer and not side step?

She's doing it much more often than Biden.

Also, Biden is looking at and addressing the host chick, Palin is looking at the camera... Interesting tactics.

Palin bringing up soccer game people?? Gimme a break...

WTF!?!

They were talking about housing crisis Palin, not energy!!

How are they letting get so off topic and away from the questions!?!

BUT... She asked you about the causes of climate change... to then say "i don't wanna talk about the causes" is... well... STUPID!

haha, I'm watching it too, trying to pay attention though. I'm missing the current energy stuff because Im responding to this.

I agree Palin is sidestepping, however her not looking at Biden/looking at the camera is because she's talking TO the American people (as she said in the beginning).

I can't wait 'til Foreign Policies come up :D

"talking to american people"...give me a break.

Gen. Patreas and the talibanis eh?

:lol:

soo many buzzwords from Palin...

we use nukes as a deterrent... riiight....

who has used them in war again?

oh that's right...

:lol:


"can we just jump back to Afghanistan again?"

can we talk about afghanistan?

hahahha

"talking to american people"...give me a break.

I'm an Obama supporter, that comment of why she's looking to the camera is from a public speaking standpoint.

God, there's something about that condescending "cheerful" tone that she gets when she thinks shes on a good point that I've never been able to stand, from anyone.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/21/fact-check-did-obama-vote-94-times-for-higher-taxes/

i'm not watching debate but following it on cnn.
palin doesnt look too good from what i'm reading

i'm not watching debate but following it on cnn.
palin doesnt look too good from what i'm reading

she looks better than biden, just doesn't sound better :p

god I love how she keeps referring to the "beacon on a hill" speech. I'll dig up the anti-beacon on a hill speech on YouTube later if I can

i am watching and whhen he was like john mcain is no maverick part of the speech he should of gone

YOU JUST GOT SERVED and he should of started brake dancing, but she has been side stepping or changing subject on some questions

I agree she's not doing the best on answering the questions, but I didn't expect that from her. She's still politically young. The only experience she has is round table debates with other Mayoral and Gubernatorial candidates. I'm surprised how well she's doing

With that said, I think she's thrown some pretty good punches that make you say "Wow, that was awesome." I just can't stand Biden's bs. I'm shocked if people can't see through it. Furthermore, Matt is right, she is talking to the American people. She's trying her hardest to connect to the average American. Biden is trying well, but he too often portrays himself as above other people.

I must say though, I do like that it's been fairly light-hearted, unlike the Pres. debate. You can tell in Biden's face, when they have the split screen, that he is also impressed with her. (Maybe it's really just the smirk that he knows he's going to win the debate)

Also, Biden is looking at and addressing the host chick, Palin is looking at the camera... Interesting tactics.

For seeming to be a pretty left leaning liberal, you don't watch too much PBS... ;)

eah he was looking at the camera in pbs lol!

I've been watching the debate on MSNBC, and I have to say I HATE Rachael Madow. I think she is a horrible show host and news commentator. She bugs the CRAP outta me.

I wonder who i-Club supports. . .

http://i34.tinypic.com/2rp4swn.jpg

I wonder who i-Club supports. . .

http://i34.tinypic.com/2rp4swn.jpg

duh....tire rack!

GILF

Palin stole the show. She's got way more energy than Biden. Biden made too many false acusations.

Energy independence! Lower taxes! Greater security!

Registration deadline is just around the corner.

VOTE OR DIE...lol.

GILF

Palin stole the show. She's got way more energy than Biden. Biden made too many false acusations.

Energy independence! Lower taxes! Greater security!

Registration deadline is just around the corner.

VOTE OR DIE...lol.

Care to tally up false accusations for both sides with proof? :)

I must admit though, Palin did better than expected (I don't know enough about politics or debating though to judge who won).

Palin's performance actually surprised me a lot! I thought she was gonna have another Ms. Teen South Carolina 2007-esque moment again like a few days ago. I wouldn't go so far as to say that she was so disjointed and such as (;)) with Katie Couric on purpose just so it would seem like she "shined" in tonite's debate, but it makes me wonder. :suspicious: Of course, I don't truly believe they'd manufacture something that could hurt your campaign. It's just important to recognize the context.

They both did a good job of pushing for their No. 1's w/ a bit of an edge to Palin in the cheerleader role, which, imho, is one of the goals in a VP debate.

They both did a good job of pushing for their No. 1's w/ a bit of an edge to Palin in the cheerleader role, which, imho, is one of the goals in a VP debate.

Bingo!

I don't think Palin was surprising. She had to be aggressive to be taken seriously and she had to connect with the country which she tried really hard to do. She didn't necessarily connect with me, but neither did Biden.

GILF

Palin stole the show. She's got way more energy than Biden. Biden made too many false acusations.

Energy independence! Lower taxes! Greater security!

Registration deadline is just around the corner.

VOTE OR DIE...lol.

See, I'd agree that Palin stone the show at first simply by looking way better than anybody expected her to. However, I think it was pretty obvious that she was consistently dodging questions, and Biden did a great job of pounding his points home. The economy is what is on everybody's mind, and by working hard to appeal to middle class voters I believe that he came off with the stronger message. IMHO, this was most evident in the closing remarks where Biden made a very strong stand.

And false accusations? Seriously? Palin was throwing them out there left and right. 94 times to raise taxes? Voted to cut off funding for the troops? I am not by any means saying that Biden was a saint - he also made some blatantly false accusations - but Palin made just as many.

Overall, my reportcard on how they presented themselves was:
Palin - B+ : WAY better than people expected, but still looked like she was dodging questions and I do not believe that she demonstrated a connection with the regular voter in the continental united states.

Biden - A- : He stuck to his guns, and presented a powerful message of change and middle class power. While I am not sure how I feel about this tactic from a political ideology perspective, I think that it worked well in the context of the debate and as an attempt to pull in middle class voters worried about their economic futures.

For seeming to be a pretty left leaning liberal, you don't watch too much PBS... ;)

im middle right... just not religious right if you cath my drift. cant vote for john.


sorry if i dont watch pbs, and listen to npr, doesnt mean i cant vote for obama.

Palin wasn't completely destroyed. She only kinda lost. Which means she won it! [/faux news]

In all honesty, I don't think she did anything to sway the swing voters. She certainly did a good job of firing up those who were already going to vote for her. I also don't think Biden moved many swing votes either. I doubt we'll see any significant shift it the polls from this.

I agree she's not doing the best on answering the questions, but I didn't expect that from her. She's still politically young. The only experience she has is round table debates with other Mayoral and Gubernatorial candidates. I'm surprised how well she's doing

With that said, I think she's thrown some pretty good punches that make you say "Wow, that was awesome." I just can't stand Biden's bs. I'm shocked if people can't see through it. Furthermore, Matt is right, she is talking to the American people. She's trying her hardest to connect to the average American. Biden is trying well, but he too often portrays himself as above other people.

I must say though, I do like that it's been fairly light-hearted, unlike the Pres. debate. You can tell in Biden's face, when they have the split screen, that he is also impressed with her. (Maybe it's really just the smirk that he knows he's going to win the debate)

you cant beleive ppl cant see through biden??

ppl cant beleiev that ppl cant see throgh palin! :lol:

she constantly moved around questions, thats sad.

ill admit she did better than i expected.

Palin wasn't completely destroyed. She only kinda lost. Which means she won it! [/faux news]

In all honesty, I don't think she did anything to sway the swing voters. She certainly did a good job of firing up those who were already going to vote for her. I also don't think Biden moved many swing votes either. I doubt we'll see any significant shift it the polls from this.

yeah, thats pretty much what the analysts were saying right afterwards, after 24 hours there won't be much talk of this debate

GILF

Palin stole the show. She's got way more energy than Biden. Biden made too many false acusations.

Energy independence! Lower taxes! Greater security!

Registration deadline is just around the corner.

VOTE OR DIE...lol.

man you put a sponge to shame!

lol

She would have done much better answering the questions instead of spouting out slogans and talking points. I think she failed to separate her administration from Bush. She did not go in depth at all regarding foreign policies or economics plans. I think she succeeded in convincing people she's not a retard a retard, way to aim high. It also didn't help that I found her accent really annoying.

I'm pretty disappointed from the debate because I did want to see some kind of train wreck. Biden and Palin were supposed to slip up, neither one did. :(

Bingo!

I don't think Palin was surprising. She had to be aggressive to be taken seriously and she had to connect with the country which she tried really hard to do. She didn't necessarily connect with me, but neither did Biden.

She was only "surprising" to me in that I did not hold high expectations of her maintaining decent flow & logical sense. Her fumbling moments w/ Couric were huge in my book, but she redeemed herself nicely tonite.

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A bit off-topic here, but I wanted to comment on the moderator. I was kinda disappointed that Ifill did not allow them to respond to one another's comments as much as Lehrer did w/ the No. 1's last week. But then again, Lehrer said he had many more questions for them & that it was a shame they ran outta time. Tonite's debate covered a wider range of issues (which was good), while last week's had more verbal sparring (which was good, too). Hopefully Brokaw can find a nice balance.

So, in the transcribing Palin's answers at the debate, how are they going to spell nucular? Or is it nookyooler? For somebody who insisted on changing the debate subject back to energy you would think she'd learn how to pronounce a simple word.

And if she was going to talk about Afghanistan, she should have gotten McKiernan's name right. I'm sure he would have appreciated it.

I think she drops a mean talking point, has the arrogant "aww shucks" grin down pat, but outside of that she was saying the same empty jargon they've been saying for weeks. She'd make a great right-wing pundit or GOP press secretary. I can't see her in any other role in or near the White House.

AND She questions Biden's years of experience as a bad thing. I guess she hasn't looked at her running mate lately. Ironic...

Both did well, i think reps are breathing easier now, and dems might be upset palin didn't stumble at all.

palin cleanly stated she wanted to move on and forget the bush administration(i think everyone has learned from that, duh!) maybe you didn't watch the part where she talked about corruption and "finger pointing backwards"

for someone doing this for 5 weeks i'd say she did pretty good against a 30 year old veteran of Congress..

Both did well, i think reps are breathing easier now, and dems might be upset palin didn't stumble at all.

palin cleanly stated she wanted to move on and forget the bush administration(i think everyone has learned from that, duh!) maybe you didn't watch the part where she talked about corruption and "finger pointing backwards"

for someone doing this for 5 weeks i'd say she did pretty good against a 30 year old veteran of Congress..

I agree that she did well. But I think if she's going to call out the Dems for sticking to "the last 8 years" agument, she should have at least gone in some depth on her campaign's plans. I have to side with Biden when he called her out for not discussing their plans for the future.

I've been listening hard for any firm answers on what their plans are for Iran, Iraq, economic crisis, etc. and I'm not hearing anything. They may or may not have great plans, but if they don't discuss them in these debates, the public will have a hard time distancing McCain/Palin from the Bush administration.

Both did well, i think reps are breathing easier now, and dems might be upset palin didn't stumble at all.

palin cleanly stated she wanted to move on and forget the bush administration(i think everyone has learned from that, duh!) maybe you didn't watch the part where she talked about corruption and "finger pointing backwards"

for someone doing this for 5 weeks i'd say she did pretty good against a 30 year old veteran of Congress..
What happened to all the Mayoral and Governor experience? :rolleyes:

All I hear are excuses for her.

She did a hell of a job not fumbling... But also did a very poor job with the topics and especially staying on topic...

It's preposterous that she could even say at the end that she liked being able to debate these topics when she spent so much of the night circumventing.

It's scares me that people are so proud that she didnt stumble and fall on her face. We are so proud that she didnt make an ass out of herself that we are calling it a win.... wow....scary. She was coached for the last few weeks and she had her 3 or 4 main discusion points that she consistently went back to. Biden on the other hand answered ANY question that thrown out at him. Now shes gonna go back in hiding and we won't hear her speak again anytime soon. I felt like it was high school debate all over again. Oh you know these four issues so stick to them... bring it back to these issues no matter what. Host - "Lets talk about climate change"... Palin - "blah blah blah" talk a little sh*t about Obama then change the discusion to how Obama is gonna raise taxes... or how John is gonna see the war through... all the while not giving any difinitive answers on how they plan on doing it. Skip around the question and talk trash about Obama was about all i heard the whole night. Biden called her out perfectly.. im hearing alot of "we are gonna change this and change that"... yet we didn't hear a single specific issue discussed on how they plan on doing it. Like i said high school or middle school... if you vote us in we will do this this and this... im not gonna tell you how we are gonna do it .. but we will! !! smile big, look cute ! ! !
Biden the entire night, cited all his facts with dates and issues and specific votes, while Palin basically made assumptions and accusations

Whats gonna happen when we send her over seas or ask her to talk with a foreign diplomat?? We are all gonna hold our breath and hope that she doesn't fall on her face or make a big blunder and start some foreign incident.

sorry for the spelling its 415 in the morning ! haha

she's hot....that's all.
I could sit and watch that debate again (volume off as I had to do earlier).

Not pleased with either side in this election.

I'll say it again... i wanna do Eva Longoria but i wouldn't vote her in as the vp just cause shes good looking.

Who gives a **** how the two candidates performed; mushy questions lead to mushy answers.
What is absolutely inexcusable is the piss poor performance of that Socialist Moderator.

All softball questions about short term problems.
How about asking real questions, such as:

"How do you propose to raise taxes?"
"Please point out the exact paragraph in the Constitution that address abortion."
What is your plan to punish those company owners, CEOs, etc, that have ****ed up our economy?"

The only question that remotely had a black or white answer was the question regarding gay marriage, and that's a non issue.

And the "Dumbest Answer of the Night" award goes to Biden for saying global warming is caused by man.

Yeah, the moderator sucked balls.

When the candidates started rambling about unrelated issues, the she wouldn't call them on it.

Who gives a **** how the two candidates performed; mushy questions lead to mushy answers.
What is absolutely inexcusable is the piss poor performance of that Socialist Moderator.

All softball questions about short term problems.
How about asking real questions, such as:

"How do you propose to raise taxes?"
"Please point out the exact paragraph in the Constitution that address abortion."
What is your plan to punish those company owners, CEOs, etc, that have ****ed up our economy?"

The only question that remotely had a black or white answer was the question regarding gay marriage, and that's a non issue.

And the "Dumbest Answer of the Night" award goes to Biden for saying global warming is caused by man.


How about a real answer, instead of dodging the questions and talkin sh*t about the other parties candidate.
Also how about a real question such as:
" You plan on seeing the war through and winning it you say, how do you propose to do so? WHat are you going to do differently than W to win this war????"
or even
"Have you figured out what magazines you read on a weekly basis??? or is it still simply all of them.. anything put in front of you.??" hahahahahaha

And your answer on gay marriage didnt have a black and white answe.. biden said he was against marriage but for the rights of equality in same sex couples. mostly for it.. just not marriage...sharing health care and visitation rights ... Palin was againts EVERYTHING that has to do with same sex anything EXCEPT hospital visitation rights in her first answer... then on the follow up answer she said, "im with gov. biden on this issue." No shes not with him.. she skated around the issue. Shes AGAINST all same sex issues while biden and obama are not, so no shes NOT WITH BIDEN ON THIS ISSUE ! and no her answer was not black and white. She played on her words

And i like that question you suggest Paul, "How do you plan on punishing those CEO's" maybe we should go back to the Keating 5 and see how McCain plans on punishing them :doh:

what is there to win in this war? this war is over before it began. we went in there for the reason of WMD and there aren't any. the guy who we were scared of is dead, why are we still there.

there is nothing to win. we are losing and they are winning when they have a surplus and we have a deficit. bottom line.

what is there to win in this war? this war is over before it began. we went in there for the reason of WMD and there aren't any. the guy who we were scared of is dead, why are we still there.

there is nothing to win. we are losing and they are winning when they have a surplus and we have a deficit. bottom line.


exactly i agree completely... try telling that to McCain !

You're correct; both candidates gave a lack lustre performance.
My contention is that better/harder questions, the candidates true beliefs, conveictions, and abilities would have sufaced.

Biden will not do anything different regarding the war in Iraq.

You're correct; both candidates gave a lack lustre performance.
My contention is that better/harder questions, the candidates true beliefs, conveictions, and abilities would have sufaced.


+1 we agree there Mr.Paul. I really don't think this is going to affect the outcome of the election....

what is there to win in this war? this war is over before it began. we went in there for the reason of WMD and there aren't any. the guy who we were scared of is dead, why are we still there.

there is nothing to win. we are losing and they are winning when they have a surplus and we have a deficit. bottom line.

Exactly! And we're waiting for them to "be ready to take over power of their country"? We're waiting for them to say "Hey, you're doing all the work while our 'government' is making money....please stop"?

Meh...FWIW (http://www.johnmccain.com/McCainReport/Read.aspx?guid=343ba934-6417-4b65-ac9e-92348acb5e97)

Joe Biden's 14 Lies

1. TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted “the exact same way” as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.

2. AHMEDINIJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmedinijad of Iran. Barack Obama did say specifically, and Joe Biden attacked him for it.

3. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, “Drill we must.” But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to “raping” the Outer Continental Shelf.”

4. TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it’s passage.

5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he’s always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate.

6. ALERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to FactCheck.org, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain’s record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times.

7. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people's health insurance coverage -- they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false

8. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska -- she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it's not a windfall profits tax.

9. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO's International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan.

10. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation -- he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie.

11. IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was “dead wrong on Iraq”, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right.

12. TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn’t see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more.

13. BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn’t meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be part of “part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20.”

14. REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won't pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan.

Exactly! And we're waiting for them to "be ready to take over power of their country"? We're waiting for them to say "Hey, you're doing all the work while our 'government' is making money....please stop"?
They already said that, and have asked us to leave within a few years, but the white house wants to say until like 2014/2015

Exactly! And we're waiting for them to "be ready to take over power of their country"? We're waiting for them to say "Hey, you're doing all the work while our 'government' is making money....please stop"?
We said here that if asked to leave, we would leave:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4978361/

And here is where we basically lied about it, and are wanting to stay longer to be sure we can come out as "winners" cause right now, we are for sure HUGE losers, and did this for the wrong reasons, were lied to, and for some reason still believe that we are there for some righteous reason...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/27/bush-admin-told-iraq-gove_n_121708.html

Meh...FWIW (http://www.johnmccain.com/McCainReport/Read.aspx?guid=343ba934-6417-4b65-ac9e-92348acb5e97)

IBconsiderthesource

.... but yes, for what it's worth the McCain types at least have some kind of counter argument that wasn't very existent last night.

They both had mistakes if you look at www.factcheck.org with Palin having I think one more than Biden. Take it for what it's worth but at least factcheck.org is a little more unbiased than the www.johnmccain.com :lol:

They both had mistakes if you look at www.factcheck.org with Palin having I think one more than Biden. Take it for what it's worth but at least factcheck.org is a little more unbiased than the www.johnmccain.com :lol:

haha, seriously. If you're going to post the "lies" please

a) do it from an unbiased source
b) do it for both sides.

or do republicans not lie?

haha, seriously. If you're going to post the "lies" please

a) do it from an unbiased source
b) do it for both sides.

or do republicans not lie?
"Read my lips..." :lol:

I've been watching the debate on MSNBC, and I have to say I HATE Rachael Madow. I think she is a horrible show host and news commentator. She bugs the CRAP outta me.

Hahhahaha, I went to school with her. There was a lot of people that didn't like her all that much back then. :D

There is one pet peeve that I have - I really wish people would take the extra 5 seconds and learn how to pronounce the word "NUCLEAR".
It's really not that hard.
"new-clee-ar" , not "new-cue-lar"

"English motherf*$@%, do you speak it?!"
Samuel L. Jackson, Pulp Fiction

There is one pet peeve that I have - I really wish people would take the extra 5 seconds and learn how to pronounce the word "NUCLEAR".
It's really not that hard.
"new-clee-ar" , not "new-cue-lar"

"English motherf*$@%, do you speak it?!"
Samuel L. Jackson, Pulp Fiction

"You betcha!"

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/10/04/amd_palin-wink.jpg

There is one pet peeve that I have - I really wish people would take the extra 5 seconds and learn how to pronounce the word "NUCLEAR".
It's really not that hard.
"new-clee-ar" , not "new-cue-lar"

"English motherf*$@%, do you speak it?!"
Samuel L. Jackson, Pulp Fiction

Seriously - this is something I have never understood. I don't get along with people that say "new-cue-lar" haha..

Seriously - this is something I have never understood. I don't get along with people that say "new-cue-lar" haha..

too funny i was just chatting with my friend on AIM and he brought that up :lol:

I learned my pronunciation of "nuclear" from a Homer J. Simpson.

True story.

I learned my pronunciation of "nuclear" from a Homer J. Simpson.

True story.

hahaha Homer for VP!!!