Edited...
So according to the last census, whites (caucasians) comprise 75% or so of the U.S. population.

As I've been researching law program demographics recently, I've noticed an alarming trend. Whites typically account for 48% or so of students, give or take a bit depending on geographic location and level of liberal infestation.
Asians comprise about 30+% of top law school programs, though they are only 3% of the U.S. population!

What is the deal here? Are whites simply lazy or stupid, or are they being disenfranchised? There is no doubt that whites are under-represented in higher learning, and "we" are increasingly being left behind in the better paying jobs. Now I'm not talking about that minority of whites born into money or folks with connections like royalty or whatever... I'm talking about regular people and equal opportunity to get ahead. Why are so many whites being left behind?

Is "the man" sticking it to "the man?"

Is "the man" sticking it to "the man?"

That's a funny commercial.

Don't even get me started on the favoritism shown non-whites in college.

So according to the last census, whites (caucasians) comprise 75% or so of the U.S. population.

As I've been researching law and MBA program demographics recently, I've noticed an alarming trend. Whites typically account for 48% or so of students, give or take a bit depending on geographic location and level of liberal infestation.
Asians comprise about 30+% of higher learning and professional degree programs, though they are only 3% of the U.S. population!

A lot of asians come here to go to college, so comparing US populations of asians to the populations of asians in graduate programs is like comparing apples to oranges....though making that kind of inappropriate argument doesn't usually bother you. :rolleyes:

also:

So from this point forward... if you post a lame thought without substantial evidence, historical evidence or any source (even a source from Oregon college students will do) I’ll just lock it and let it die.

Post your source, or STFU.

Edit: Never mind...you are full of shyte....as usual.

The GMAC’s 2002 Global MBA Survey of graduating MBA classes states that “Among US citizens who were asked their race/ethnicity, 84.7% are white (non-Hispanic). Asian Americans make up the next largest group at 6.7%, followed by Hispanics (4.5%) and blacks/African Americans (4.1%).”

According to Business Week, the number of underrepresented minorities (African American, Hispanic American and Native American) currently enrolled at the top 30 schools averages 9.6%. In contrast, nearly 40% of minority b-students attend traditionally black business schools. The precise numbers vary with each program, but business school advisors should be familiar with the percentages.

A lot of asians come here to go to college, so comparing US populations of asians to the populations of asians in graduate programs is like comparing apples to oranges....though making that kind of inappropriate argument doesn't usually bother you. :rolleyes:

Inappropriate? WTF? Did I tread somewhere I wasn't supposed to in your liberal PC eyes?
So are you saying a lot of whites from Europe or elsewhere don't come here for college? Ok captain obvious!

Post your source, or STFU.

I already said Law and Grad school demographics and last census (2000) you f'n fact-blind m'fer!"
Assuming you aren't completely inept at finding the data, start here for law schools: http://www.lsac.org/

Edit: Never mind...you are full of shyte....as usual.

Still not figured out that liberal insanity has led our country astray I see.

I already said Law and Grad school demographics and last census (2000) you f'n fact-blind m'fer!"

No you didn't. You cited the census. You never cited a source for your (bullshyte, debunked) claims about minority enrollment.

The GMAC’s 2002 Global MBA Survey of graduating MBA classes states that “Among US citizens who were asked their race/ethnicity, 84.7% are white (non-Hispanic). Asian Americans make up the next largest group at 6.7%, followed by Hispanics (4.5%) and blacks/African Americans (4.1%).

the number of underrepresented minorities (African American, Hispanic American and Native American) currently enrolled at the top 30 schools averages 9.6%. In contrast, nearly 40% of minority b-students attend traditionally black business schools. The precise numbers vary with each program, but business school advisors should be familiar with the percentages.

Idiot

Oh wow, you guys need to knock off the name calling, it really makes it so that nobody even wants to take your posts seriousley.

The school I go to is about 40% black, 20% latino, 40% whitey and about 10 percent Asian.

I think this is kinda wierd because the county I live in(under 200k residents) is more like 45% latino (35% of wich are documented;) ), 45% white, 9% asian and maybe 1% black.

Just my observation.

Idiot
Did you read the quotes you provided? Keyword here is "asked."

I know you aren't that stupid.

Take a look at actual demographics from school reporting, not unscientific surveys with a liberal agenda. We all know that latinos, American-Indian, and blacks are under-represented, but now we've under-represented whites in the best schools... how is that progress?

Sorry if I humiliated you... everyone makes mistakes ;).

I looked up some MBA programs.
UCLA: 7% minority fr/US, 25% international (=68% white fr/US)
Stanford: 25% minority fr/US, 3% international (=72% white fr/US)
no stats on webpage: Harvard, Yale, Berkeley, UCSD


I got bored of searching after that. Both schools I found that did give stats show that they have almost exactly the right % of whites from the US...and remember that the international students probably have some caucasions as well.

I looked up some MBA programs.
UCLA: 7% minority fr/US, 25% international (=68% white fr/US)
Stanford: 25% minority fr/US, 3% international (=72% white fr/US)
no stats on webpage: Harvard, Yale, Berkeley, UCSD


I got bored of searching after that. Both schools I found that did give stats show that they have almost exactly the right % of whites from the US...and remember that the international students probably have some caucasions as well.

Look at the law programs at those schools.

UCLA J.D. - 30% minority
Harvard J.D. - 31% minority
Yale J.D. - 36% minority



And since UCLA has a very convenient way to look up their stats:

Neuroscience: 9% minority, 3% international (88% US white)
Biochemistry: 1% minority, 6% international (93% US white)
Physics: 3% minority, 29% international (68% US white)
Poly Sci: 9% minority, 20% international (71% US white)
ChemEngineering: 6% minority, 41% international (53% US white)
MechEngineering: 5% minority, 46% international (49% US white)



So basically, in difficult fields that lead to good jobs, whites are more than represented.

*The engineering degrees have high international numbers, which tells me more about the lack of math in our public schools than it does about minorities.

Also keep in mind that UCLA has an unusually large asian student body for an American school, and even with that the whites are still not underrepresented.

Look at the law programs at those schools.


Of all the programs I looked at, law is the only one that could be said to have an underrepresented white student body...barely.

Not to mention that you give no hint as to where you got those law and professional school demographics, which seem to conflict with the reporting the ACTUAL PROGRAMS do on their own websites.

The demographics for law school should reflect a higher minority enrollment. Typically, minorities are more adversely affected by our judicial system. I can only hope that some minorities who enter and excel in law school will go back to their communities to advocate for change.

BTW, if ya'll want to look up minority percentages at every ABA accredited law school, click here http://officialguide.lsac.org/search/cgi-bin/results.asp?PageNo= and then click on the school you want to know the stats on.

Take a look at actual demographics from school reporting.

If you had provided a source for your assertion, I would have had no problem with doing so.

The keywords here are CITE YOUR CLAIMS.

If you had provided a source for your assertion, I would have had no problem with doing so.

The keywords here are CITE YOUR CLAIMS.

Hahha I may have to back-peddle on this one regarding MBA school, but my law school claim holds... I'll get back to you with the exact stats, and not some skewed exit polls and misleading liberal propaganda that lojasmo subscribes to.
The link to aba law schools is above. The census is year 2000.

...it wouldn't be the first time you said something that was based on your paranoid opinion rather than stats...

...it wouldn't be the first time you said something that was based on your paranoid opinion rather than stats...

True. Today I at at a Pakistani restaurant and skipped on of the dishes that had brains in it. Call me paranoid if you like.

Hahaha...but brains are good for you!


"What do we want?!?!" "BRAINS"
"When do we want them?!?!?" "BRAINS!!"

http://officialguide.lsac.org/search/cgi-bin/regions.asp?reg=SREGFRW

Berkeley:
Caucasians 41.3%
Minority 37%
Other 21.7%

Hastings:
Caucasians 45%
Minority 33.4%
Other 19.4%

Santa Clara:
Caucasians 50.6%
Minority 42.4%
Other 7%

Davis:
Cauc: 50.8%
Min: 37.7%
Oth: 10.3%

Stanford:
Cauc: 54.3
Min: 33.7%
Oth: 9.7%

UCSF:
Cauc: 57.4%
Min: 31.1%
Oth: 11.3%

GoldenGate:
Cauc: 57.6
Min: 38.6
Oth: 13.2

Thanks for playing!

Uh...what's 'other'. International? Because if it is, then there are both whites and non-whites in that group. Or it's people who choose to report 'other' on their application. In which case they are probably white people like you who fear they will be rejected because they are not a minority...

Either way, you are really wrong on this for every single field except maybe (MAYBE) law.

Either way, you are really wrong on this for every single field except maybe (MAYBE) law.

I haven't double-checked other fields besides law (law had been the last one I looked at). I'll look at some top schools and get back to you.

According to the 2005 CIA World Fact (an official statistics agency), America is:

White
81.7% or 216 million, (Including Hispanics and those of Middle Eastern and North African descent)
69% (Excluding Hispanics but including Middle Easterners, North Africans, and others who checked "Some other race" in the Census)
Hispanics 14.1% or 41.3 million
Black or African American 12.9% or 36.4 million,
Asian 4.2% or 11.9 million,
American Indian 1.5% or 4.1 million,
Native Hawaiian and Pacific Islander 0.2%
Two or more races 2.4%

And are you seriously trying to push the point that minorities are given some sort of advantage over whites in our system? Look at the richest people in the US...or the ones who are in charge of the largest companies...or the ones in power in the government....and then compare %s to the population.


...I can see a thread in the near future...by Helladumb...the title says "I got rejected from law school because of liberals and immigrants....

...not to mention that you're focusing a lot on race for someone who has proclaimed that paying attention to race in this context (school) is racist....

http://www.stanford.edu/dept/humsci/under/demographics.html

Stanford Undergrad: 46% White (INCLUDING OTHER)

Stanford MBA CLASS OF 2007
Women 32%
International (includes Permanent Residents) 39%
U.S. Minority 25%
They left out caucasian. Anyone want to know why they left that out?
Look at those #s and take a guess.

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...I can see a thread in the near future...by Helladumb...the title says "I got rejected from law school because of liberals and immigrants....

Do you contend that whites aren't being rejected based solely on the color of their skin? If a school gets 4000 applicants and those applicants fall within approximate U.S. demographic percentages, and only 400 can be allowed into the school, that means A LOT of whites (more than any other group) will be unfairly discriminated against.

There's no affirmative action any more, people are accepted and rejected based on qualifications. And there is a lot of luck involved, because as you pointed out, so many people apply for so few slots. I know that whites are not discriminated against when applying to colleges. In fact, I don't know a single white person who has been rejected from a school they wanted to go to.

The fact that you don't have to give any race on any application is testament to the fact that you are just paranoid about this. If they were going to discriminate, don't you think they'd require the race box be checked?



Edit: that stat for Stanford does surprise me a little bit.

I'm done arguing this for today though. I appreciate that you feel discriminated against, and I'm sorry you feel that way. My advice is to be good enough where you're not 'on the bubble' to get in and it won't matter.



Besides, I don't like any of the stats you or I can find on undergrads because they include all the touchy-feely subjects...and I've already shown you that in the most rigerous fields of graduate study, whites are not underrepresented. Again except for maybe law...

If you're going to try to stand up for anyone's rights...how about you look at women in all the stats you cited and posted...last I checked men:women is about 50:50 in the world...

Here, for you.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/wcvb/20060127/lo_wcvb/3220524

There's no affirmative action any more, people are accepted and rejected based on qualifications. And there is a lot of luck involved, because as you pointed out, so many people apply for so few slots. I know that whites are not discriminated against when applying to colleges. In fact, I don't know a single white person who has been rejected from a school they wanted to go to.

The fact that you don't have to give any race on any application is testament to the fact that you are just paranoid about this. If they were going to discriminate, don't you think they'd require the race box be checked?
Edit: that stat for Stanford does surprise me a little bit.

Stanford and all the big-name schools. If one adopted white and one adopted black from the same family, which kid is going to have the opportunity to rise to the top?

Schools have taken on the charter of diversity so they all look like they are helping minorities, not because of any federal mandate. Notice how the stats of all the schools are similar? When you have a limited class size, and only 100 seats for whites, white people are rejected solely based on the color of their skin!

"Sorry white folk. Your lives are on hold! Hollah!!!!! Can I get a whoo whoooooo?"

I'm done arguing this for today though. I appreciate that you feel discriminated against, and I'm sorry you feel that way. My advice is to be good enough where you're not 'on the bubble' to get in and it won't matter.


Oh, I will get in because I'm willing to work as hard as it takes. See you in the court room mutha fookers!

Oh, I will get in because I'm willing to work as hard as it takes. See you in the court room mutha fookers!


Good luck. However I will never personally choose to be in any courtroom for any reason, so I won't see you there.

When you have a limited class size, and only 100 seats for whites, white people are rejected solely based on the color of their skin!




I don't know anyone who does admissions for anything except science and engineering, so I can't say for any fields but those, but I do know several people (one of whom is my father) that do admissions for science and engineering. None of them have/use quotas for race. They try as hard as possible to evaluate using only the qualifications of the applicant.

Another point I hadn't thought about that this discussion brings to mind. I'm not sure if you should compare the #s to the %s of the US population; since the US is the #1 country for graduate and professional education, we should be comparing the stats to the %s for the whole world (since we educate a large percentage of the educationally elite that return to other countries).

Another point I hadn't thought about that this discussion brings to mind. I'm not sure if you should compare the #s to the %s of the US population; since the US is the #1 country for graduate and professional education, we should be comparing the stats to the %s for the whole world (since we educate a large percentage of the educationally elite that return to other countries).

True if you are talking about graduate and post-graduate work accross the board, but law school for the most part prepares students to take local State Bar exams, in order to practice law in this country.

Law school demographic data most clearly backs up what I've said, that whites are being left behind.

True if you are talking about graduate and post-graduate work accross the board, but law school for the most part prepares students to take local State Bar exams, in order to practice law in this country.

Law school demographic data most clearly backs up what I've said, that whites are being left behind.


Not really. They teach you law not just that States law. If anything they give you a broad education. A friend of mine that graduates this year goes to school in Dallas. (Forgot which one.) She went to work in Oklahoma during a summer break. Friends of hers have gone all over. Whites are not being "left behind". But I don't feel the need to argue with it with you.

Stanford and all the big-name schools. If one adopted white and one adopted black from the same family, which kid is going to have the opportunity to rise to the top?

The most qualified one, I should think....I propose that's why you're actually pissed off...there are people of color out there who are smarter than you.

On November 5, 54 percent of the electorate voted yes on Proposition 209 - a ballot initiative banning all affirmative action in government employment and public education - affirming the governor's earlier efforts to end racial preferences in the UC system. The American Civil Liberties Union challenged 209, but the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the law in April, 1997. The U.S. Supreme Court later declined to hear the ACLU's appeal.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/sats/race/summary.html

Yup...no affirmative action at California public universities....and good luck suing a private university on this issue.


Schools have taken on the charter of diversity so they all look like they are helping minorities, not because of any federal mandate. Notice how the stats of all the schools are similar? When you have a limited class size, and only 100 seats for whites, white people are rejected solely based on the color of their skin!

Bullshyte.

I'm gonna sue

Aren't you one of those bizniches always whining and complaining about the cost of unnecessary litigation?


Law school demographic data most clearly backs up what I've said, that whites are being left behind.

No. You haven't proven that whites are applying to law schools in a disapportionately lesser number than are being admitted...relative to persons of color.

Lojas and Mv, you guys are blind.

Lojas and Mv, you guys are blind.

I get irritated by people of a priveleged class or race whining about deserving more than they earn.

You have provided absolutely no evidence that your level of aptitude merits more reward than you have been provided. As far as I'm concerned, you have NOTHING to complain about.

Yet another thread I've read about 2 statements from and then stopped.

Hella, you know I think you're a bigot based soley on the trend of your posts.

No I'm not...
Yeah, ok. I am, but....
gpatmac you're a....
Why are you so concerned with race? Are there times when you can point to where you were personally hurt by others who aren't of your race? Do other races scare you? Do you feel you're better than an entire group of people? What is it about you that makes you better or at least different in a way that you should receive different treatment. Or do you feel that those who've been legally granted the ability to receive different treatment not available to yourself really shouldn't be granted that legal protection?

What are you doing about it besides posting on such a narrow media such as the political portion of an import car enthusiasts website? Are you complaining to your parents? Have you sought counsel from your pastor? Have you sought support from your city councilman? Have you formed a lobby group or at least sought out a like-minded-to-yourself lobby? Have you organized rallies? Sought out signatures for your petition? Organized a militia to conduct your coup?

I know that this forum is designed for idle chit-chat, but I think you've got issues.

http://www.utexas.edu/opa/pubs/oncampus/01oc_issues/oc010927/oc_enrollment.html

Lets compare shall we?

New graduate student enrollment was slightly lower this fall at 3,050, a decrease of about 1.3 percent. Hispanic student enrollment increased to 206 (up 16 or 8.4 percent), while the number of entering African American graduate students decreased to 54 (down by 22 students or 28.9 percent) and Asian American enrollment dropped to 150 (down 17 or 10.2 percent). This fall’s entering law class enrolled one more African American student than in fall 2000 (up to 18 students), and eight more Asian American students (up to 32 students).

A total of 3,050 graduate students at UT.

206 Hispanics
150 Asians
54 African American's

Do a little math and you come out with 410 none white students in UT grad school. That leaves us with a grand total of 2640 white grad students at UT.

~87% of the graduate students at UT are white. That leaves ~13% to be none white in grad school. Now granted they could of not included a group in those numbers that they had up. But even then I really really doubt it would be a larger number than Hispanics. So I must be missing something or you are just a bitter person with no facts to back up a thing you say. This is at a PUBLIC University that is cheap compared to other private schools. (Tuition is around 4 to 5 thousand a semester, I believe now.) Hence more minorities that are poor can afford to go there. And if you look at undergraduate enrollement numbers you'll see whites still are the overwhelming majority.

University-wide enrollment increased for the following racial/ethnic groups: African American, to 1,606 (from 1,582 in fall 2000); Asian American, 6,700 (6,236); Hispanic, 6,088 (5,920). Enrollment decreased for white students to 31,049 (from 31,368) and American Indian students to 203 (229).

Percent wise it falls as follows.

A total of 45,646 undergraduate students at UT.
Whites lead the pack at ~68%
Asian Americans follow with ~15%
Hispanics are at ~13%
African Americans at ~4%
American Indian at ~4%

Now maybe im just blind, but it seems to me that again Whites are the overwhelming group at UT. The closet group are Asian Americans that are at 15% but that number is very biased since a large part of that group are international students. Again this is at a public university. The largest one in Texas and my alma mattar. Granted this is just one example but I can almost guarantee that it is the trend not the exception to the rule.

Talk about being a disgruntled white male. :rolleyes:

you are just a bitter person with no facts to back up a thing you say.

Yup.
Talk about being a disgruntled white male. :rolleyes:

exactly. Given that California has eliminated affirmative action in public universities...I, in Minnesota am at a significantly greater disadvantage. I am not worried, however. I know that, because of my skills and work history, along with my test scores, will be able to enter graduate school without difficulty.

you won't hear me *****ing about affirmative action.

Hella, you know I think you're a bigot based soley on the trend of your posts.

Why are you so concerned with race? Are there times when you can point to where you were personally hurt by others who aren't of your race? Do other races scare you? Do you feel you're better than an entire group of people? What is it about you that makes you better or at least different in a way that you should receive different treatment. Or do you feel that those who've been legally granted the ability to receive different treatment not available to yourself really shouldn't be granted that legal protection?


Look you ignoramus,

Bigot is defined as "one who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ."

I think everyone should have the EXACT SAME OPPORTUNITY. No handouts or limits on a group, and no dumbing down entry criteria in the name of diversity!
My wife and kids are Asian, so call me a racist if you like.

"Diversity" feeds Bigotry.
Look at all of the sanctioned SCHOOL clubs based solely on a particular race or religion. Yeah... argue that they aren't "partial to one's own group, religion, race, or political group, or that they don't exclude other that differ." Are you going to say the fixation with "how many people from each race" is my fault and I'm a bigot for evaluating LAW SCHOOL DEMOGRAPHICS! Yeah, you're for the double-standard that says ALL whites already have inside connections, so they can't have a "white club." FU YOU ARE THE RACIST

exactly. Given that California has eliminated affirmative action in public universities...I, in Minnesota am at a significantly greater disadvantage. I am not worried, however. I know that, because of my skills and work history, along with my test scores, will be able to enter graduate school without difficulty.
you won't hear me *****ing about affirmative action.
Just like all large US based Corporations, most schools have their own individual diversity programs. Man, wake up.

http://www.utexas.edu/opa/pubs/oncampus/01oc_issues/oc010927/oc_enrollment.html


Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Did you bother to look at their LAW program?

Here, I looked it up for you:
University of Texas at Austin Law School
http://officialguide.lsac.org/OFFGUIDE/pdf/aba6882.pdf

Caucasian: 61.8% (underrepresented... remember 80% of U.S. population)
Asian: 6.9%
African American: 4.8%
Mex Amer: 11.7%
Hispanic: 3.9%

Doh Unregistered! Thanks for mentioning UT in the heart of Texas!!!

Look you ignoramus,

Bigot is defined as "one who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ."

"Diversity" feeds Bigotry you f'n idiot!
Look at all of the sanctioned SCHOOL clubs based solely on a particular race or religion. Yeah... argue that they aren't "partial to one's own group, religion, race, or political group, or that they don't exclude other that differ." Are you going to say the fixation with "how many people from each race" is my fault and I'm a bigot for evaluating LAW SCHOOL DEMOGRAPHICS! Yeah, you're for the double-standard that says ALL whites already have inside connections, so they can't have a "white club." FU YOU ARE THE RACIST
No I'm not...
Yeah, ok. I am, but....
gpatmac you're a....

Bigot and sensitive like a little girl.

Sometimes it's too easy.

Now the US is 80% white? I thought you had quoted 75% from some unfound census....then you changed to 70% with a citation...now it's 80%...



and yes, the way in which you looked up and then immediatly b****ed about 'racism' in law school demographics does implicate you as being unnatural focused on race...

Now the US is 80% white? I thought you had quoted 75% from some unfound census....then you changed to 70% with a citation...now it's 80%...


Assuming you can read English (I posted this already!):

According to the 2005 CIA World Fact (an official statistics agency), America is:

White
81.7% or 216 million, (Including Hispanics and those of Middle Eastern and North African descent)
69% (Excluding Hispanics but including Middle Easterners, North Africans, and others who checked "Some other race" in the Census)
Hispanics 14.1% or 41.3 million
Black or African American 12.9% or 36.4 million,
Asian 4.2% or 11.9 million,
American Indian 1.5% or 4.1 million,
Native Hawaiian and Pacific Islander 0.2%
Two or more races 2.4%

The 2002 census says whites are approx 75%.


and yes, the way in which you looked up and then immediatly b****ed about 'racism' in law school demographics does implicate you as being unnatural focused on race

No, their web sites, school associations, and ABA college facts are race-focused. Have you even looked? All I wanted to know was the % of students taking/passing the bar exam, because besides #1 being school name, I want an education that prepares me to actually become a lawyer so I can work for the ACLU ;)... heheheh.

Oh, while I was looking for the 2000 census, I found this tasty nugget. Read it in its entirety if you have the testicular fortitude...

http://www.amren.com/966issue/966issue.html#cover

Why?

Oh, while I was looking for the 2000 census, I found this tasty nugget. Read it in its entirety if you have the testicular fortitude...

http://www.amren.com/966issue/966issue.html#cover

"American Rennisance" June 1996 edition?

Both biggoted garbage and obsolete to boot. I bet that's a great read. :rolleyes:

So, from a cursory look at the numbers you've provided, that site's predictions have been proven wrong...in fact, according to their statistics, and your statistics, the percentage of whites in the american population has INCREASED....opposite of their predictions.

Hahahaha...80% including hispanics...who are also usually considered to be a minority in school stats. It's 69% including some would not be included in the law schools stats as white.

I DID read that. Did you? Because you're using the data incorrectly.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Did you bother to look at their LAW program?

Here, I looked it up for you:
University of Texas at Austin Law School
http://officialguide.lsac.org/OFFGUIDE/pdf/aba6882.pdf

Caucasian: 61.8% (underrepresented... remember 80% of U.S. population)
Asian: 6.9%
African American: 4.8%
Mex Amer: 11.7%
Hispanic: 3.9%

Doh Unregistered! Thanks for mentioning UT in the heart of Texas!!!


Are you kidding me? Who doesn't know Austin is in central Texas? Its the freaking state capitol. Seriously are you this dense?

So since you want to base it off percent population. Lets be a little serious and do it first over the City the school is in.

http://www.ci.austin.tx.us/census/faqs.htm

Ethnicity (as of April 1, 2000)
White 52.9%
Hispanic 30.6%
Black 9.8%
Asian 4.7%
Other 0.5%
Multi 1.6%

Clearly once again the White population in the Law school is OVER represented and the other minority groups are UNDER represented in Law school. Now granted thats just the city of Austin numbers. So lets go to the State level numbers of Texas.

http://txsdc.utsa.edu/data/census/2000/redistrict/pl94-171/race-eth/table3.txt


Proportion of Population
Anglo 52.43%
Black 11.34%
Hispanic 31.99%
Other 4.24%



Again the white population in law school is OVER represented while the others are UNDER represented by a large margin. So again Mr. Disgruntled white male why are you not fighting for the under represented racial groups in atleast Texas? Why are you only concerned with whites?

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html

Sorry to inform you hella but the white population percentage is at 69.1% White persons, not of Hispanic/Latino origin, percent definition and source info White persons, not of Hispanic/Latino origin, percent, 2000 69.1%

That was in 2000 and I can pretty much assure you that it has gone down in the past 6 years.

I am personally looking forward to a time when whites are merely another minority. Then, hopefully, all these over-entitled, overpriveleged folks can get the fook over themselves.

Race isn't an issue.

Dwelling on race is.

The more y'all humor this joker, the more fuel you add to his skewed idealism.

Race isn't an issue.

Dwelling on race is.

The more y'all humor this joker, the more fuel you add to his skewed idealism.

Amen to that.

I am personally looking forward to a time when whites are merely another minority. Then, hopefully, all these over-entitled, overpriveleged folks can get the fook over themselves.
Now that's good old-fashioned racism.

So since you want to base it off percent population.

Basing it off of State population is the only excuse, but people go to ABA law schools so they can get licensed in The United States, not necessarily the state at which they go to school.

From your own numbers of 69%... heck I'd be willing to bet it's 65% if you factor in all the illegals, whites are still under-represented.

Oh, and the reason for me looking at this closer is because WHITE PEOPLE (lawmakers, politicians, lawyers... (you know.. the priveleged class that has zero poor and downtrodden)) made a cultural environment in which whites are the eventual loser.

We all know whites are already the minority in two of America's largest states (CA, TX) and that trend is going to continue. I JUST WANT TO BE SURE WHITES WILL BE PROTECTED AS A MINORITY just like what they've selflessly done for other races. Fair is fair, but as we know, humans can be evil.

"American Rennisance" June 1996 edition?

Both biggoted garbage and obsolete to boot. I bet that's a great read. :rolleyes:


I don't subscribe to it and yes.. it's bigoted, but it's funny you'd call ME racist when those widely held views are out there.

I don't subscribe to it and yes.. it's bigoted, but it's funny you'd call ME racist when those widely held views are out there.
Widely held racist views? Yeah, I guess they're out there. This is the only place I come across them, though. I don't search it out on the internets. Thanks for bringing me a little slice of unwanted diversity. ;)

Now that's good old-fashioned racism.

Nope. I'm looking forward to a time when whites are equal in number to other races. I'm looking for equality.

Nope. I'm looking forward to a time when whites are equal in number to other races. I'm looking for equality.

That sounds racist, but who am I to judge? ahahahhahah ;)

Funny, because whites are a dying race in many parts of the U.S. because of "white flight" and because they don't have enough kids. Statistically, most white Americans will be in the nursing homes in 50 years. In 100 years it will be hard to find a white person in many states if you look how increasingly segregated communities are becoming. I already play "find the natural blonde" when I go to SF, where the average blonde is Japanese :).

Just like many African Americans, they have some "white" in them and you can't tell. My kids get a free pass as asians but they can claim whatever they feel like.

Just like many African Americans, they have some "white" in them and you can't tell. My kids get a free pass as asians but they can claim whatever they feel like.

Of course all people are descended from Africans, so.....

I already play "find the natural blonde" when I go to SF...


Why doesn't that surprise me at all...

Basing it off of State population is the only excuse, but people go to ABA law schools so they can get licensed in The United States, not necessarily the state at which they go to school.

Are you kidding me?! Do you expect area's with lower concentrations of whites to IMPORT them to the state so that they equal the national average?! Are you insane?


From your own numbers of 69%... heck I'd be willing to bet it's 65% if you factor in all the illegals, whites are still under-represented.

So this further proves what I have been saying? That if anything whites are over represented in graduate level programs. Thanks I guess for making my point for me?

Oh, and the reason for me looking at this closer is because WHITE PEOPLE (lawmakers, politicians, lawyers... (you know.. the priveleged class that has zero poor and downtrodden)) made a cultural environment in which whites are the eventual loser.

Seems to me whites are doing pretty well. For starters they are over represented in graduate programs versus other races. How many white senators, ceo's, lawyers are there that are white vs other races? I'm pretty sure the majority are white. So what am I missing here? Did I suddenly start taking LSD and hallucinate this world I'm living in?

We all know whites are already the minority in two of America's largest states (CA, TX) and that trend is going to continue. I JUST WANT TO BE SURE WHITES WILL BE PROTECTED AS A MINORITY just like what they've selflessly done for other races. Fair is fair, but as we know, humans can be evil.

How are whites the minorities in Texas? I just showed you the state census, 52.43% is HARDLY the minority. Seems to me they are really the majority.

Anyways I'm done gpat is right this is pointless and you are a closet racist.

So what am I missing here? Did I suddenly start taking LSD and hallucinate this world I'm living in?

No, you've been like that as long as I can remember.



How are whites the minorities in Texas? I just showed you the state census, 52.43% is HARDLY the minority. Seems to me they are really the majority.

Whites are actually the minority in 4 states... not 2 like I previously stated:
(California, Texas, New Mexico, Hawaii, with Maryland, Mississippi, Georgia, New York, and Arizona not far behind)
So, anyway, the true racists on this board should get pleasure in that.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,165395,00.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8902484/
http://news.sawf.org/Lifestyle/2079.aspx
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4795476&sourceCode=RSS

I could resist.

No, you've been like that as long as I can remember.

Funny I'd say the same about you.



Whites are actually the minority in 4 states... not 2 like I previously stated:
(California, Texas, New Mexico, Hawaii, with Maryland, Mississippi, Georgia, New York, and Arizona not far behind)
So, anyway, the true racists on this board should get pleasure in that.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,165395,00.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8902484/
http://news.sawf.org/Lifestyle/2079.aspx
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4795476&sourceCode=RSS

Are you on crack? According to the population estimates based on the 2000 Census, about 50.2 percent of Texans are now minorities So all other races besides whites now total 50.2 percent of Texans. So are you ignoring the fact that if you compare each of the other races individually, not as a group, whites are STILL the overwhelming majority? Basically if you twist the facts, which is what this is, you get whites as not the overwhelming majority. Instead you get whites and ALL minorities as equals, close enough. Yep the poor white man is getting the short end of the stick. And this FURTHER proves my point that whites are OVERWHELMINGLY the majority in graduate courses! And they are OVER represented even when all the minorities are grouped together.

There is no such thing as THE minority. There is such a thing as THE majority; it requires that one group constitute >50% of the population. So in most states there is the white majority and several minorities. And when the white population goes below 50% in a state, then there is NO majority and several minorities. Saying any group is THE minority is helladumb.

I'm not bringing this up because of symantics; I think using the phrase "the minority' when refering to whites losing the majority is indicitive of a fundamental flaw in some people's thinking of what majority and minority are.

There's nothing wrong with having 10 minorities and no majority; in fact, I would predict that a democracy would run better with no majority group.

whites are OVERWHELMINGLY the majority in graduate courses! And they are OVER represented even when all the minorities are grouped together.

Did you even look at Stanford, Berkeley, Davis, UCLA, UCSF, or any other west coast school? Yeah, I thought not.

Even if we did look at the west coast schools again, Unreg'ed point (that state population %s count more when the vast majority of students come from instate) will show that whites are still over represented...



because non-hispanic whites in CA are only 46.7%
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/06000.html


so when we revisit the stats from those schools you mentioned we see that...whites are again overrepresented when comparing them to the actual pool of people the school draws from.


Don't you see the hole you're digging getting way too deep now? What will it take for you to realize that, on this issue, you're just plain WRONG and that whites are overrepresented in college, grad school, prof school, and in high end jobs, law jobs, political jobs....

Don't you see the hole you're digging getting way too deep now? What will it take for you to realize that, on this issue, you're just plain WRONG and that whites are overrepresented in college, grad school, prof school, and in high end jobs, law jobs, political jobs....

Hahaha and what planet is this? Do you think that somehow as you twist the facts that reality changes along with your lunacy? Open your eyes.

I clearly showed that LAW school demographics PROVE that whites are under-represented, and the same goes for some of the best schools in undergraduate/graduate admission (i.e. Berkeley, Stanford, etc)

Why are you so hateful of the white race?

...riiiight, because you're the only one on this forum with open eyes...you should take your own damn advice there bud.


It is clear that in the US, whites are not underrepresented in any way in any field of education. YOU are the one who has tried (to no avail) to make the stats appear to favor non-whites; however when the pertinant data is analized, it is very clear to anyone with reasoning skills that your claim (that whites are underrepresented in upper education) is completely false.


If you continue to beleive this racist and ignorant assertion, you will find that the only person you will affect will be yourself; and it will be in a negative way.

I clearly showed that LAW school demographics PROVE that whites are under-represented, and the same goes for some of the best schools in undergraduate/graduate admission (i.e. Berkeley, Stanford, etc)

Why are you so hateful of the white race?


What you showed was that those schools don't represent all of America. But if you look at their enrollment stats, you will see that >75% of the students at those schools are from CA. Therefore, CA should be the population they are compared to (also, as you pointed out, the state administers the BAR exams...). When compared to the population of CA, all of the schools you sited are, in fact, overrepresenting whites in their law classes.


I don't hate the white race; however I don't have false illusions of a mass conspiracy to hinder white people either. You are extrememly xenophobic; I have seen this demostrated over and over by your posts. This is just another example of you, at the root of the problem, fearing that which is different from yourself.

If you would like to demonstrate that whites in all of America are underrepresented in law schools, then this is what is needed:


ALL law schools in the countrys demographics totaled against the national population stats.


If you can show me that all law schools totaled show that less than 69% of the law students in the country are white, you have a point.

Other than that, individual school's demographics must be compared to the demographics of the population from which they draw their students. As unregistered and I have shown, when you do this for Texas and California schools (our respective locations) you see that the % of white students in law school is higher than the % of white people in the population from which the students come.

If you would like to demonstrate that whites in all of America are underrepresented in law schools, then this is what is needed:
ALL law schools in the countrys demographics totaled against the national population stats.
If you can show me that all law schools totaled show that less than 69% of the law students in the country are white, you have a point.


Not true. I'm just looking at the schools that I've considered attending (Davis, Cal, Stanford, Hastings, Golden Gate, UT, etc).

Discrimination and the causes must be evaluated on a case-by-case basis, meaning one school at a time. What I'd like to know is if applications by qualified candidates are proportional to the local demographic population, or if there is racial or gender discrimination in the acceptance process. Don't you think that's a fair question?

Yes, that's a fair question. But you compared the demographics of the law schools to the wrong population. Like you said, you have to compare them to the LOCAL DEMOGRAPHIC POPULATION. So, for the schools you listed, that is CA. Which means if they have > than 46.7% whites they are over representing whites...and they are except for Hastings and Berkeley, which are within the margin of error for the census and their own stats.


So, to answer the fair question, there IS racism in the acceptances of most of the schools you listed...because they let in a higher percentage of whites than exists in the population from which their students come.


Furthermore, as we've seen by the stats, there IS also gender discrimination...against women.

So you (being a white male) have a better chance of getting into law school than an equally qualified non-white or female applicant. The truth is, in fact, the exact opposite of your claim that 'diversity has gone awry'; whites are not underrepresentd in law school (or any other post-college education).

Yes, that's a fair question. But you compared the demographics of the law schools to the wrong population.

In fact, comparing them to the local population in general is also incorrect. The admissions numbers must be compared to the demographics of the applicants for admission in order to be meaningful.

In fact, comparing them to the local population in general is also incorrect. The admissions numbers must be compared to the demographics of the applicants for admission in order to be meaningful.

AMEN.. AGREED!

Furthermore, as we've seen by the stats, there IS also gender discrimination...against women.


Is that what the #s say, or is that your assumption? Again, we'd have to see how many QUALIFIED applicants applied.

In fact, comparing them to the local population in general is also incorrect. The admissions numbers must be compared to the demographics of the applicants for admission in order to be meaningful.


True, but since I can't find any of those stats the local population is the closest approximation the the applicant pool that we have.


Helladumb, of course that's what the numbers say. The numbers are not 50/50...and all human populations are roughly 50/50. Again this doesn't take into account the difference between population at large and applicant pool, but we don't have applicant data...


By the numbers we have access to, Helladumb's claim of racism against whites in upper education is completely eronious.

In the Bay Area, Women are slightly over-represented... go figure:

(all law schools per ABA)
Golden Gate: 57% Female
Davis: 56.7% Female
Berkeley: 60.8% Female WINNAR!
Santa Clara: 50.9%
Hastins: 54.2% Female
UCSF: 50.7% Female

So, if I get lonely, I'm going to drop in on Berkeley! ;)
Look out fellas... you're going to loose your shirts in a divorce with all these women running around.... hmmmm anyone else think of Lucy Lu?

...good news for me, I'm applying to Berekely for next fall...

...good news for me, I'm applying to Berekely for next fall...
Law? When are you taking the LSAT? If June, maybe I'll see you there.

FYI: At Berkeley, females significantly outnumber males in every demographic.

There are 110 Asian Females versus only 60 Asian men, and 212 caucasian females versus only 151 cauc men.

This phenomenon is interesting in itself. If I were single... I could do some serious Van-Dammage!!!! :)

The fallacy in this whole argument proposed by our favorite polemic is this: neither higher education nor professional occupations comprise a perfect reflection of the make-up (racial, economic, cultural) of society at large.

If you were to look at graduate programs across the board, ranging from medicine to social work to law to counseling, you would see demographic trends not in sync with all of the different types of classifications mentioned above.

To play Dumb's advocate, I do not think that is right to base admission principles on race alone (but alas, few if any schools actually do this). Admissions should instead take into consideration socio-economic indicators instead IMO.

Look at what Teh Politics has inspired. Soon, we will have a fresh crop of politicos entering law school, ready to take over the world with our wicked rhetoric.

bwahaha...bwhahahahahaha

:banana:

Law?


No, law and politics are purely a past time for me (well...I try to know some law to keep myself out of trouble really...). I'm going to school for neuroscience somewhere in CA...either Berkeley, Davis, UCLA, or Irvine.

No, law and politics are purely a past time for me (well...I try to know some law to keep myself out of trouble really...). I'm going to school for neuroscience somewhere in CA...either Berkeley, Davis, UCLA, or Irvine.


Oh neuroscience, I almost went into that. Just way to much lab work for me to really enjoy. Good luck with that you have a very bright future if you do well.

In fact, comparing them to the local population in general is also incorrect. The admissions numbers must be compared to the demographics of the applicants for admission in order to be meaningful.


I agree but thats not what Hella based his argument on. He was going by population stats, in a very biased format, which didn't further his argument. I will say this though, even if we did the demographics by the amount of applicants for admission you would see a higher representation of whites vs other minorities.

There is no such thing as THE minority. There is such a thing as THE majority; it requires that one group constitute >50% of the population. So in most states there is the white majority and several minorities. And when the white population goes below 50% in a state, then there is NO majority and several minorities. Saying any group is THE minority is helladumb.

I'm not bringing this up because of symantics; I think using the phrase "the minority' when refering to whites losing the majority is indicitive of a fundamental flaw in some people's thinking of what majority and minority are.

There's nothing wrong with having 10 minorities and no majority; in fact, I would predict that a democracy would run better with no majority group.


You are correct I was wrong. :)

I agree but thats not what Hella based his argument on. He was going by population stats, in a very biased format, which didn't further his argument. I will say this though, even if we did the demographics by the amount of applicants for admission you would see a higher representation of whites vs other minorities.

I think I surprised at least a few people in the course of my thread regarding the true diversity of law schools, and even was surprised myself when I saw that women significantly outnumber the men in local schools. It's safe to say that many folks here assumed evil white men dominate the top schools, but that just isn't so. Whites are a dying and lazy race, so don't get your panties in a bind.

It's safe to say that many folks here assumed evil white men dominate the top schools, but that just isn't so. I have been aware for years that institutions of higher learning are diverse. I would say that nobody was surprised.

Whites are a dying and lazy race, so don't get your panties in a bind.
Racist. ;)

I have been aware for years that institutions of higher learning are diverse. I would say that nobody was surprised.


Yes, you would ;)