View Full Version : Legacy BE: Stiffen it up!


Imprezer
02-21-2003, 01:49 PM
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While Subaru Legacys are superb cars, the pure numbers of aftermarket parts and Legacy enthusiasts themselves in North America are very small. Only a handful of Legacy owners choose to modify their cars. And, as with any car parts, if there is no demand for it, fewer vendors carry the parts and generally know about them.

Earlier Legacys 90-94 (BC/BF) shared the platform with the GC/GF Impreza’s. As a matter of fact, the GC/GF Imprezas were built on 90-94 Legacy platform. I am sure you guys are familiar with the story about Subaru entering WRC events with the Legacy and it’s nearly stock form, it had proven to be very competitive. Colin McRae himself first piloted the BC Legacy Type RA to a number of podium finishes in the early 90’s. Then, as we all know, the Impreza was born as Colin and Subaru needed a lighter and stiffer car to be even more competitive and aim for the manufacturer and driver championship. Therefore, almost all performance parts made for a more popular GC/GF Imprezas can be used on 90-94 Legacys. Next generation Legacys 95-99 (BD/BG) was still very similar to the older BC/BF Legacy. Many of the same parts from BC/BF Legacys and GC/GF Imprezas can be installed on BD/BG Legacys. Then, in 2000 model year, Subaru introduced the totally redesigned new Legacys BE/BH. The chassis was new from the ground up. Completely different suspension layout, exhaust system and many other things prevented new Legacy owners from going ballistic with modifying their new rides with parts available for the previous generations of Legacys. While people in Japan and other countries get to zip around in twin-turbo B4's and Blitzens, us, North American Legacy enthusiasts have to resort to trying to cheery our cars up to bring them up to a higher level of performance.

So, after doing a bit of research, I decided to get some parts from Japan and try to fit them onto my Legacy BE. Suspension was the first thing I wanted to address. And, no other company offers more suspension parts for the Legacy than CUSCO. Plus, since I am a loyal CUSCO customer, this was not a difficult choice to make. I got front and rear ALC-OS strut bars, rear lower arm bar and front and rear sway bars. CUSCO also makes a front lower arm bar, but I knew for sure that it wouldn’t fit onto a non-turbo Legacy. ALC-OS strut bars are basically a standard Type OS bars (oval shape) wrapped in carbon.

http://www.i-club.com/images/articles/cusco_be_1.JPG

Rear sway bar is about 120% thicker than stock (18mm) and so is the front one (21mm). I started the project by installing the rear lower arm bar.

Rear CUSCO Sway Bar vs. Stock Sway Bar

http://www.i-club.com/images/articles/cusco_be_5.JPG

Front CUSCO Sway Bar vs. Stock Sway Bar

http://www.i-club.com/images/articles/cusco_be_7.JPG

After 20 min of struggling to get it in, I installed a rear sway bar in 5 min. Front sway bar didn’t clear the header, so I couldn’t use it. I will save it for later and in case I do a motor swap (EJ20T or EJ20TT) I will be able to use it then. Then I installed front and rear sway bars and dropped the car down on the ground. The front bar bends nicely around the "imagenary" intercooler, or an airbox, in my case. The rear bar seats low to the floor, and does not take away any of the valuable trunk space. To my surprise, the rear lower arm bar was “hanging” too low. Not sure why, since the gap between the bar and the diff, was over 2”. That is totally unnecessary and it looks very bad when you stand behind the car. It almost touches the ground, but since it sits on the same line as the axels (and center of the rear wheels) it never will do that, unless you drive without tires. It looks so weird, that I am considering taking it off.

Front CUSCO ALC-OS Strut Bar

http://www.i-club.com/images/articles/cusco_be_3.JPG

Rear CUSCO ALC-OS Strut Bar

http://www.i-club.com/images/articles/cusco_be_8.JPG

Rear CUSCO Lower Arm Bar and Rear CUSCO Sway Bar

http://www.i-club.com/images/articles/cusco_be_6.JPG

After making sure that everything was done correctly, I took the car for a test spin. Result: much better handling and dramatically reduced body roll. I wish that the front sway bar fit, since that would improve the handling even more. Oh well. So $845 (retail) later, I was very happy with my BE, more happy than I was before. Now that I already have rims and tires all the new CUSCO pieces, coilovers is the next obvious mod. I have chosen CUSCO ZERO-2 setup (of course) which should be here shortly. My goal of turning the already great Legacy into something even better is underway…

Keisatsu
02-22-2003, 09:15 PM
I a have always wanted a high performance legacy, I LOVE the styling of them sooo sleeper! yet, sooo badass, if you throw in a turbo!

go go go
02-23-2003, 02:44 AM
Very nice B4,
Can't wait to see the future evolution of this B4.

I see the Top Secret Supra and the ButtWhooper in the background, hehe
I'd put the EJ20 from your WRX in the B4. Well I know you are a busy man, another toy coming in soon ;)

Sig1518
02-23-2003, 01:25 PM
Rarely do you find other people that like to make their Legacy's sporty.
Where did you get the clear rear turn lenses and front sway bar? Would really love to get my hands on those. If you're looking to get the engine going I have a guy in San Diego that is doing a graet job on mine.

Imprezer
02-24-2003, 12:57 AM
I got the taillights from Japan through go go go.

I got the sway bar from me. ;)

I can get you one. $165 + s/h.

ravent
02-24-2003, 08:54 AM
Talking about sleeper, my friends 93 Legacy, with stock WRX wheels and tires and automatic (yes thats a WRX automatic) does 12.7 in the 1/4...60' times are terrible (2.5 sec) with trap speed at 105. This car weighs almost 3500lbs. The engine is stock;)

joltdudeuc
02-24-2003, 09:52 AM
Originally posted by ravent
Talking about sleeper, my friends 93 Legacy, with stock WRX wheels and tires and automatic (yes thats a WRX automatic) does 12.7 in the 1/4...60' times are terrible (2.5 sec) with trap speed at 105. This car weighs almost 3500lbs. The engine is stock;)

I bet it's not as AUTOmatic as you make it sound Randy ;)

-Gagan

ImprezaRSDriver
02-24-2003, 09:33 PM
Will any of those fit the BH's? I know that the BE's and BH's have many similarities, but not necessarily one will work with the other. Just wanted to know about stuff for the Wagons.

Sig1518
02-25-2003, 07:59 PM
Imprezr,
I would be very stoked if you could hook up that front sway bar. I get payed on Friday so maybe we can work something out then. I can't seem to find the site on the clear corner lenses. What exactly was the site.

go go go
02-25-2003, 08:05 PM
Originally posted by Sig1518
I can't seem to find the site on the clear corner lenses. What exactly was the site.
if you mean his tail lenses, I imported them for Imprezer ;)

ImprezaRSDriver
02-26-2003, 12:56 AM
go go go,

Can you get the clear tail lenses for the BH? I am referring to the side lenses that are orange on the wagons.

Imprezer
02-27-2003, 12:24 PM
They have all the parts available for the Wagon as well. You can get CUSCO or Vacanza (CUSCO's wagon brand). The Vacanza stuff is gold. Yum!

Sig, the front sway bar didn't fit. You still want it? It will only work on the cars with turbo x-member and up/downpipes.

EJ206DX
02-28-2003, 11:35 AM
Super article. Love that Legacy.

Sig1518
03-01-2003, 11:02 AM
Imprezer,
Thanks anyway. I don't think I would be able to make it fit Keep us informed on the progress of the Legacy. It looks good.

go go go,
Can you still import the clear lenses?

go go go
03-01-2003, 01:47 PM
I don't want to hijack this good thread so those of you interested in the JDM tail lights, PM me personally.
I'll see what I can do for you..

ImprezaRSdriver> i sent you PM a while ago.

flowerpower
03-06-2003, 04:14 PM
Is there any other restyling parts you used or know of.?? I would like to try and modified my subaru, but i am not having much luck finding parts.

imprezausa
03-16-2003, 08:29 PM
Imprezer you are the man :)

Do you know where to buy hood for B4???
I have to replace nose, so B4 hood will work perfect before I will swap the motor.

Snowkatt
03-18-2003, 11:33 PM
What A great article!:D I've been planning On doing something like this on my BH,But have been having a hard time finding a supplier that has parts available.I've had a rear sway bar(cusco)
and strut braces on order for over 2months. I've tried other places,but I've been told it takes a loooong time to get stuff from cusco. So far I've been paiteint,but if theres someplace that I could get it sooner I love any suggestions.

omahasubaru
03-20-2003, 12:21 PM
Imprezer... Don't you have CUSCO coilovers on this car?

If not I'd still like to see some side shots of it with the Volks on there. I'm trying to convince my wife that with all the mods we've done.. it does need lowered now that she's on 17" wheels.

Thanks - Jon

The Finn
04-25-2003, 02:06 PM
Good information on the 'Origin of the Species'. :p Had no idea they did a complete redesign for 2000. A couple of questions...

1: Did Subaru have the keen insight to keep the wheels used from the 'older', i.e. pre 2000, Legacy models? Are the dimensions and spec's the same? I would like to put a set of 16in. GT or Outback wheels on our L Wagon.

2: How can I find out what parts are available from CUSCO for our 'BH'(?). I would like to stiffen it up a bit but have no idea where to look.

3: What is everyones choice of tires for these vehicles? Dislike the stock RE92's. I am looking for a good all around tire with an emphasis on traction. I'm leaning towards either RE950's or SP Sport A2's.

Thanks a bunch.

Finn

jumper
06-26-2003, 01:11 AM
hi peeps.

there are whiteline strut bars, and sways that do fit the newer legacy's 99+. planning to stiffen up my liberty cuz i got wrx 17 alloys with low profiles :D

http://www.whiteline.com.au

73170 WL h/duty coil spring - pair
73172 WL h/duty coil spring - pair
BSF14X Heavy duty swaybar-fr
BSR12X H/duty duty swaybar-rr oversize
KSB550 Strut tower brace
KBR20-22 H/duty swaybar mount kit-22mm

'97GT
10-12-2003, 01:32 PM
Is a 97 Legacy GT a BH or a BE? Is there anywhere you know of in Northern California that supplies performance parts or knows a lot about Subarus and performance issues?

Imprezer
10-12-2003, 02:20 PM
97 GT Wagon is BG
97 GT Sedan is BD

'97GT
10-12-2003, 11:41 PM
what does BD stand for will 97 impreza 2.5RS parts fit my car. do you also know were i can get performance parts to my car.thank you

'97GT
10-13-2003, 11:08 AM
Have you ever heard of putting a 30 amp fuse in the fuse box labeled FWD to engage just the front wheels?

Imprezer
10-13-2003, 11:30 AM
BD is the chassis code.
Some parts from the 2.5RS will fit depending on year.
Yes, but that is to towing and emergencies only.

'97GT
10-13-2003, 05:22 PM
what years fit a 97 legacy gt. probably not a good idea to put a 30 amp fuse in and try to do front wheel smoke shows.

Imprezer
10-13-2003, 05:39 PM
Whats years what fit 97 Legacy GT?

No, you cannot do FWD burn outs.

Try to use . and , and Caps next time. I got a headache reading your posts. Haha.

'97GT
10-13-2003, 05:58 PM
Do 97 impreza parts fit a 97 legacy GT. If so what are those parts

Imprezer
10-14-2003, 12:37 AM
Some parts from the 2.5RS will fit depending on year.


I already answered that. What parts are you trying to use? Listing them all here is like counting starts.

'97GT
10-14-2003, 12:13 PM
will a cold air intake to a 97 2.5RS fit my 97 legacy GT. If so is there any fabrication. Were can i get a twin turbo kit for my car. Is the computer in the 2.5RS the same as in the legacy GT.

stg2lgcy00
10-14-2003, 05:41 PM
Dam...I wish I could have found this thread a while ago, I thought I was one of the only people interesed in upgrading a BE Legacy. I've been looking for those JDM tailights but didn't know who to ask, does go go go supply the JDM style headlights too??

Imprezer
04-15-2005, 12:18 AM
Yes. go go go is my JDM yahoo hook up.

sadsack
12-14-2005, 10:40 AM
Are Vacanza swaybars (front and rear) available for a USDM '03 Legacy Wagon (BH chassis)? I'd like to find a 22 mm front / 20 mm rear combo (preferably with the rear being adjustable)?

I've tried Whiteline, but the recommended rear sway for my vehicle has a slightly different geometry which causes contact against a rear subframe mounting bracket on the LH side.

Thanks

Flanders
12-14-2005, 01:55 PM
Imprezer, is go go go still able to get parts? My BH needs serious help. What happened to your BE?