noob review of EQ Tuning
06-04-2009, 11:36 PM
#16
Good numbers and great tune! Pretty amazing power with all the cats.... but why did you keep the stock uppipe? Not trying to scare you but that uppipe cat can get very hot and crumble into your turbo (even at stock power levels). Its not common but it has happened to people on this board. Plus, a catless pipe would add quicker response, a few extra ponies and the car would still pass smog tests since you're keeping the stock turboback. Anyway, just wanted to give you a heads up 
06-07-2009, 09:33 AM
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You mention something very important. There definitely is an agreement which takes place based on your overall goal Vs. the condition of the car. This wouldnt happen if Ed didn't communicate efficiently. When i got tuned the "agreement" was...
Ed, make my car run more efficiently, improve on the XPT off the shelf map performance, but put way more focus on the longevity of my motor rather than HP/Torque."
We did away with the off the shelf, started with Ed's base map which he has put tons of work into and worked from there. I was second place for the most miles he had ever tuned. My butt dyno felt the difference immediately. The car idled much smoother. Pedal response was shortened. I got more than what i paid for which is why I'm doing a ton of work with him right now. Hopefully pics will be up soon on his engine swaps galore post so you can see what yet another 2.5 swap looks like.
Happy tuning.
-J
Ed, make my car run more efficiently, improve on the XPT off the shelf map performance, but put way more focus on the longevity of my motor rather than HP/Torque."
We did away with the off the shelf, started with Ed's base map which he has put tons of work into and worked from there. I was second place for the most miles he had ever tuned. My butt dyno felt the difference immediately. The car idled much smoother. Pedal response was shortened. I got more than what i paid for which is why I'm doing a ton of work with him right now. Hopefully pics will be up soon on his engine swaps galore post so you can see what yet another 2.5 swap looks like.
Happy tuning.
-J
06-07-2009, 09:36 AM
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Good numbers and great tune! Pretty amazing power with all the cats.... but why did you keep the stock uppipe? Not trying to scare you but that uppipe cat can get very hot and crumble into your turbo (even at stock power levels). Its not common but it has happened to people on this board. Plus, a catless pipe would add quicker response, a few extra ponies and the car would still pass smog tests since you're keeping the stock turboback. Anyway, just wanted to give you a heads up
06-07-2009, 05:04 PM
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up-pipe priority over down pipe before a tune.
you need any advice? just ask. you're only task is sifting through the good advice vs. the bad
listen to your butt dyno..
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06-08-2009, 07:46 AM
#21
I wonder what power it would make on a mustang dyno? They tend to read really low.
06-08-2009, 08:28 AM
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very nice man i got my 07 sti tuned by Ed and it has 270awhp, and 295 awtrq, also remember the numbers are from the laptop, so you need to add about a 20% gain to the numbers, for a more accurate reading!!!!so you should be around 230ish
06-08-2009, 10:08 AM
#23
At the end of the day, numbers mean almost nothing. The important part is the overall feel of the car and its actual real world performance.
Thanks
-- Ed
06-08-2009, 10:19 AM
#24
That doesn't make the numbers any more or less accurate... it just makes them more relateable to the higher reading dynos.
At the end of the day, numbers mean almost nothing. The important part is the overall feel of the car and its actual real world performance.
Thanks
-- Ed
At the end of the day, numbers mean almost nothing. The important part is the overall feel of the car and its actual real world performance.
Thanks
-- Ed
Surely a dyno reads the correct power figures or else it is innacurate?
06-08-2009, 10:37 AM
#25
I agree that power is a unit of measure and all dynos SHOULD read exactly the same given the same conditions. The reality, however, is that the methods for measuring power have not been refined to this degree. So until every dyno in the country reads exactly the same, dyno numbers will continue to be just one of many representations of a car's potential performance. The others being real world performance and results
.-- Ed
06-08-2009, 11:02 AM
#27
I'm not too sure what you're trying to get at by lumping "dyno software numbers" together with Dynojet numbers. From my experience, most road dyno software, including mine, reads similarly to the lower reading mustang dynos. There have been plenty of real world results to back up the numbers from my software in particular and considering these results I don't think anyone would call my numbers "inflated".
My software puts a stock 2.0l WRX around 155-165whp. I measured one stock WRX at 175whp but that was an outlier, not the norm. Full stage 2 WRX's put down around 210-220whp depending on mods and conditions. The car in this thread made 194whp with an aftermarket catback, intake, boost controller, and a good tune. I'm not sure why any of these numbers seem out of line to you. From my experience they are perfectly reasonable and completely in line with most Mustang chassis dynos.
I understand that you're skeptical about road dyno numbers, but there is no reason to be any less skeptical about numbers that come off a chassis dyno. In either case, the operator carries the ultimate responsiblity to keep the numbers consistent and representative of the car's true performance.
Thanks
-- Ed
Last edited by EQ Tuning; 06-08-2009 at 11:10 AM.
06-08-2009, 11:30 AM
#28
I agree that most dynojet and Dynapak numbers are significantly higher than Mustang and DD dyno numbers. This is assuming the Mustang and DD dyno parameters were not messed with by the operator.
I'm not too sure what you're trying to get at by lumping "dyno software numbers" together with Dynojet numbers. From my experience, most road dyno software, including mine, reads similarly to the lower reading mustang dynos. There have been plenty of real world results to back up the numbers from my software in particular and considering these results I don't think anyone would call my numbers "inflated".
My software puts a stock 2.0l WRX around 155-165whp. I measured one stock WRX at 175whp but that was an outlier, not the norm. Full stage 2 WRX's put down around 210-220whp depending on mods and conditions. The car in this thread made 194whp with an aftermarket catback, intake, boost controller, and a good tune. I'm not sure why any of these numbers seem out of line to you. From my experience they are perfectly reasonable and completely in line with most Mustang chassis dynos.
I understand that you're skeptical about road dyno numbers, but there is no reason to be any less skeptical about numbers that come off a chassis dyno. In either case, the operator carries the ultimate responsiblity to keep the numbers consistent and representative of the car's true performance.
Thanks
-- Ed
I'm not too sure what you're trying to get at by lumping "dyno software numbers" together with Dynojet numbers. From my experience, most road dyno software, including mine, reads similarly to the lower reading mustang dynos. There have been plenty of real world results to back up the numbers from my software in particular and considering these results I don't think anyone would call my numbers "inflated".
My software puts a stock 2.0l WRX around 155-165whp. I measured one stock WRX at 175whp but that was an outlier, not the norm. Full stage 2 WRX's put down around 210-220whp depending on mods and conditions. The car in this thread made 194whp with an aftermarket catback, intake, boost controller, and a good tune. I'm not sure why any of these numbers seem out of line to you. From my experience they are perfectly reasonable and completely in line with most Mustang chassis dynos.
I understand that you're skeptical about road dyno numbers, but there is no reason to be any less skeptical about numbers that come off a chassis dyno. In either case, the operator carries the ultimate responsiblity to keep the numbers consistent and representative of the car's true performance.
Thanks
-- Ed
But you are right, numbers mean nothing compared to driveability.
06-08-2009, 11:41 AM
#29
You know through previous conversations that I like what you do and respect your 100% satisfaction rating with hoardes of very happy, very fast subys, but there is no way a 2.0litre wrx with all 3 cats in place on pump will make hp/torque of 195/199 at the wheels on a mustang. No way.
But you are right, numbers mean nothing compared to driveability.
But you are right, numbers mean nothing compared to driveability.
The power in this kind of setup doesn't come that easily... it took me a good 2 hours to figure out the right balance of parameters to get the optimal safe power. It was especially challenging because I very rarely tune cars with all the factory cats. But once you spend the time and find the optimal calibrations, these power gains are completely realistic even with 3 cats present in the system. Replacing the factory cats with a good UP and downpipe with one high flow cat will yield the next 20whp. Again, why is this so difficult to comprehend?
What kind of power would YOU expect this car to make and why?
Thanks
-- Ed
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06-08-2009, 11:42 AM
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with all that being said you both are right, i just merly gave him numbers that he can through out there to his friends, we all from time to time want to be able to say i have such in such horsepower to make ourselves feel great. when ed tuned my car i had no idea that it would feel the way it does now. to be honest i dont tell people how much power i have anymore, i just show them. by the way thanks again ed for the tune!!!