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Old Aug 19, 2009 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by VRT MBasile
Yelling "Heil Hitler" to a jewish person is likely to fall under "hate speech" which is NOT protected by the first amendment.
That's a fine line and I'd like to think that the courts would rule in her favor.

The United States federal government and state governments are broadly forbidden by the First Amendment of the Constitution from restricting speech. See, e.g., Gitlow v. New York (1925), incorporating the free speech clause. Generally speaking, the First Amendment prohibits governments from regulating the content of speech, subject to a few recognized exceptions such as defamation[26] and incitement to riot.[27] Even in cases where speech encourages illegal violence, instances of incitement qualify as criminal only if the threat of violence is imminent.[28] This strict standard prevents prosecution of many cases of incitement, including prosecution of those advocating violent opposition to the government, and those exhorting violence against racial, ethnic, or gender minorities. See, e.g., Yates v. United States (1957), Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969).

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Old Aug 19, 2009 | 01:18 PM
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That woman is ****ing crazy. Note the "proud to be an american!" playing in the back ground...................

I feel sorry for the dude, said he had family in the camps.

I mean, it's very evident that the woman is just straight up racist.

and the dude has no idea how nationalized healthcare sucks. lol...
O RLY? She's wearing an IDF shirt.

She's not a racist, she's an idiot.
Old Aug 19, 2009 | 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by VRT MBasile
Yelling "Heil Hitler" to a jewish person is likely to fall under "hate speech" which is NOT protected by the first amendment.
exactly. her intention by saying something like this was to try to offend him. it was not informative nor was it constructive, as evidenced by her "whaa whaa" mockery at the end of then video when the man explained to her how he paid $8000. pretty selfish of her. if it is protect, ok, but it doesnt make her less of a **** (c-word)
Old Aug 19, 2009 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by joltdudeuc
But if she really, really hates jews and it loves hitler... well, she's kinda loony right?
You're overlooking the context of her statement. The Jew that she directed her comment at supports health care reform. The people against the proposed health care reforms have recently started using **** imagery in an obvious appeal to emotion.

In other words, she didn't say that to him because she likes Hitler, she said it to him because he supports health care reform.

This is, of course, what passes for intelligent discourse in this country. It's ****ing pathetic, and one of the reasons I greatly dislike people that are only interested in their "side" and don't give a **** about the truth.
Old Aug 19, 2009 | 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned
I'll admit, I don't have speakers on this PC, so I'm basing my comments on the what the OP said she said.
Here you go (NOT my words, but accurate):

At a Las Vegas town hall last week, "tempers flared" as the local CBS affiliate put it. But that really only begins to describe the video that landed on the station's Web site.

To be clear, you just witnessed a Jewish man defending Israel's national health insurance system as a way of respecting Israeli soldiers.

But a woman -- oddly enough, wearing an Israeli Defense Force t-shirt -- shouted at him, "Heil Hitler!"; presumably piggy-backing on the escalating **** rhetoric being applied to the current U.S. administration for its proposed health insurance reforms.

"Did you hear this?!" the man shouted. "She say to a Jew, 'Heil Hitler'! I am a Jew! You're telling me, 'Heil Hitler'? Shame on you! Shame on you!"

The woman appeared speechless when the camera turned on her.

"Heil Hitler?!" the man pressed.

Her reply was inaudible, but seemed criticize President Obama.

"No," he said. "I [don't] want to talk against Obama or for Obama. I want to talk about the health ... I wasn't ... I didn't have insurance. I didn't have insurance. I go to Spring Valley hospital. Two hours in [the] emergency room. How much you think they ask me to pay?"

He paused.

"Two hours," the man said, before shouting: "EIGHT THOUSAND DOLLARS!"

The woman's only response was to mimic the sound of a crying baby.

Somehow, this is what passes for "public discourse."
Old Aug 19, 2009 | 01:28 PM
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this is intense...
Old Aug 19, 2009 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by VRT MBasile
Yelling "Heil Hitler" to a jewish person is likely to fall under "hate speech" which is NOT protected by the first amendment.
The second exceptions to free speech are made is the second we no longer have freedom of speech.
Old Aug 19, 2009 | 01:35 PM
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Uh oh, a free speech discussion -- where's IX at??
Old Aug 19, 2009 | 01:36 PM
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Paul, perhaps breaking that woman's nose would present her with a situation in which she would more directly experience what the man was complaining about.

Just an idea.
Old Aug 19, 2009 | 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by saqwarrior
Uh oh, a free speech discussion -- where's IX at??
rut rhooo
Old Aug 19, 2009 | 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by saqwarrior
O RLY? She's wearing an IDF shirt.

She's not a racist, she's an idiot.
C'mon now, she knew he was a jew, and said that.....

that's like me standing by some black dude talking about healthcare, and then saying "damn ******s." or some crap like that.
Old Aug 19, 2009 | 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by joltdudeuc
C'mon now, she knew he was a jew, and said that.....

that's like me standing by some black dude talking about healthcare, and then saying "damn ******s." or some crap like that.
Are you sure she knew he was a Jew? It looked to me like she was surprised when he pointed out that fact to her. Again, she is wearing an IDF shirt -- the Israeli Defense Forces.
Old Aug 19, 2009 | 02:15 PM
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and you would deff get your *** beat for that

^in response to jolt (what he last posted)
Old Aug 19, 2009 | 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned
That's a fine line and I'd like to think that the courts would rule in her favor.
So you would argue that she simply saw a jewish person and wanted to say "Heil Hitler" for the sake of saying it, not to antagonize him?
Old Aug 19, 2009 | 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Xevious
what does it matter what she said?

she is allowed the protection to voice her opinion no matter what forum she uses.
Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned
A person is exercising their right of free speech...that you disagree with...and your first reaction is to commit physical violence on her?
as we hashed out in another thread, speech designed to incite violence is not protected...

...newb!

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