Still Want Socialist Healthcare?
01-28-2008, 03:20 PM
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Still Want Socialist Healthcare?
Don't treat the old and unhealthy
Doctors are calling for NHS treatment to be withheld from patients who are too old or who lead unhealthy lives.
Smokers, heavy drinkers, the obese and the elderly should be barred from receiving some operations, according to doctors, with most saying the health service cannot afford to provide free care to everyone.
...Obesity costs the British taxpayer £7 billion a year....
Smokers, heavy drinkers, the obese and the elderly should be barred from receiving some operations, according to doctors, with most saying the health service cannot afford to provide free care to everyone.
...Obesity costs the British taxpayer £7 billion a year....
01-28-2008, 08:40 PM
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I didn't see anything mentioned in that article that doesn't already happen everyday to privately insured patients, so what's your point? Because theoretically some patients will be denied care, millions of people who otherwise won't be able to see a doctor should be allowed to suffer?
Personally I could care less what it costs to provide health care to all Americans. Saying that people should be allowed to live ****ty lives or die without treatment because they're poor sickens me.
Personally I could care less what it costs to provide health care to all Americans. Saying that people should be allowed to live ****ty lives or die without treatment because they're poor sickens me.
01-29-2008, 07:42 AM
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It's "couldn't care less"...as in you have expended all care for something.
The difference is that with socialist medicine, it's the rule, rather the exception.
So what's your limit?
$500/yr? = $150B/yr
$5000/yr? = $1.5T/yr
$50k/yr? = 11tyB/yr.
Oh, wait, you said Americans.....
Forgot to factor in the illegals.
As with all schemes Socialist, it starts slowly, incrementally.
First it's the very old.
Then it's the very sick.
Smokers & alcoholics are added to the list.
The very over weight come next.
Possibly homosexuals.
The difference is that with socialist medicine, it's the rule, rather the exception.
So what's your limit?
$500/yr? = $150B/yr
$5000/yr? = $1.5T/yr
$50k/yr? = 11tyB/yr.
Oh, wait, you said Americans.....
Forgot to factor in the illegals.
As with all schemes Socialist, it starts slowly, incrementally.
First it's the very old.
Then it's the very sick.
Smokers & alcoholics are added to the list.
The very over weight come next.
Possibly homosexuals.
01-29-2008, 12:19 PM
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So get off your ****ing high horse and explain the difference.
Both schemes requires the "Haves"...us working stiffs...to give up their income to provide for the "Have Nots".
How much of your paycheck are willing to donate?
Both schemes requires the "Haves"...us working stiffs...to give up their income to provide for the "Have Nots".
How much of your paycheck are willing to donate?
01-29-2008, 01:17 PM
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How many Americans can afford health care here? I'm not talking about insurance; I'm talking about the actual costs of treating injuries, diseases, surgeries, etc. I'm gonna be real liberal with this estimate and call it 20%. That means the other 80% of us have to band together and pitch into a fund called "health insurance" so that when individuals among us get sick, we only have to pay a small portion of the bill. Do you, or do you not, have private carrier health insurance for your family Paul?
Now, why is it so abhorrent to conservatives that we take that pool of contributors and expand it to include the last 15% of people who not only can't even begin to think of paying for actual care costs, but can't afford the insurance coverage you and I have? They don't pay for it? I think that's a matter of perspective. After all, who exactly pays for health care right now?
Bottom line for me is, do we really expect every last able bodied person in the country to be able to pay for their medical care directly? Obviously not. And if we did, then in order for them all to have coverage either their direct wages or the overhead for their employers would increase significantly, and you'd be spending mroe for the things you buy now anyway.
01-29-2008, 01:50 PM
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Massachusetts Population, 2006 estimate = 6,437,193
Those w/o health insurance(summer 2006) = 200,000
Percentage Uninsured = 3%
MA Health Plan over budget = $400,000,000
That works out to a deficit of $2000 per enrollee.
How many enrollees are you willing to pay for?
Those w/o health insurance(summer 2006) = 200,000
Percentage Uninsured = 3%
MA Health Plan over budget = $400,000,000
That works out to a deficit of $2000 per enrollee.
How many enrollees are you willing to pay for?
02-02-2008, 10:52 PM
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as for not knowing the difference between "universal health care" and "socialist medicine", i think you are the one confused... any plan where everyone receives care regardless of how much they pay in is a socialist plan and we already have that, it's called medicare. it will start with issues that pull at heartstrings, like medical care, and it will end with us waiving a fully red flag.
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02-05-2008, 08:21 AM
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I don't understand how y'all that say the gov't is ****ed up but still want the gov't to run our healthcare system.
Looks like Hitlery favors Socialist Medicine
Looks like Hitlery favors Socialist Medicine
Will Sen. Hillary Clinton garnish the wages of people who can afford health insurance but refuse to buy into her universal health care plan?
...Clinton on Sunday described universal health care as "a core Democratic value and a moral principle, and I'm absolutely going to do everything I can to achieve that."
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...Stephanopoulos tried again: "And I still haven't heard, if people can afford it and they don't buy the insurance, will their wages be garnished under your plan? Will they have to pay fines?"
Pressed a third time on the wage-garnishing question, Clinton said, "we will have an enforcement mechanism -- whether it's that (wage garnishing) or it's some other mechanism through the tax system or automatic enrollments."
...Clinton on Sunday described universal health care as "a core Democratic value and a moral principle, and I'm absolutely going to do everything I can to achieve that."
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...Stephanopoulos tried again: "And I still haven't heard, if people can afford it and they don't buy the insurance, will their wages be garnished under your plan? Will they have to pay fines?"
Pressed a third time on the wage-garnishing question, Clinton said, "we will have an enforcement mechanism -- whether it's that (wage garnishing) or it's some other mechanism through the tax system or automatic enrollments."
02-05-2008, 09:07 AM
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Now, you guys have to realize- when a Democrat gets into the White House, we will end up with some form of universal care. It's a fact; it's at the top of the Democratic agenda and a very large portion of America supports the idea. It's time to start looking at the best way to get it done, because it's going to happen whether you guys are ready for it or not.
02-05-2008, 11:52 AM
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Don't we already have universal health care? I think it's call Medicare/Medicaid, or get a ****ing job and purchase it through your employer.
I'm guessing that most people really wanting health care can get it, but it might mean they need to quit wasting their money on luxuries and put their money to use.
The last thing we need is even BIGGER government and higher taxes.
I'm guessing that most people really wanting health care can get it, but it might mean they need to quit wasting their money on luxuries and put their money to use.
The last thing we need is even BIGGER government and higher taxes.