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Old 06-10-2009, 12:57 PM
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You know, I just thought I would mention that I really appreciate the civilized debate, "moron" comments aside.

I know your feelings on Islam and Muslims, and I doubt I am going to change anyone's minds, but I appreciate the discussion none the less.
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So this is different than the crazy guy who killed the doctor in church, how? Both crazy murderers blaming their actions on their religion.
Wait just a minute. I want to clarify something... most Christians DO sympathize with the guy who killed THIS PARTICULAR LATE TERM ABORTION DOCTOR. Late term abortion is intolerable by all standards but "ours" and I'm sure many Christians and Muslims would agree on this.

Many Christians silently support the destruction of abortion clinics (not innocents of course) and even support the harm to late term doctors who kill and continue to kill innocent children, JUST LIKE many American Muslims "silently" support "terrorism" if they agree with the potential outcome.

Common guys... quit beating around the bush.
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Wait just a minute. I want to clarify something... most Christians DO sympathize with the guy who killed THIS PARTICULAR LATE TERM ABORTION DOCTOR.
What? I don't believe "most" Christians sympathize with this murderer. Maybe they don't mourn the doctor, but sympathize with a murderer?

Late term abortion is intolerable by all standards but "ours" and I'm sure many Christians and Muslims would agree on this.
Sure, in all but the most extreme cases, but condone murder to support that view?

Many Christians silently support the destruction of abortion clinics (not innocents of course) and even support the harm to late term doctors who kill and continue to kill innocent children, JUST LIKE many American Muslims "silently" support "terrorism" if they agree with the potential outcome.
That potential outcome being?
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What? I don't believe "most" Christians sympathize with this murderer. Maybe they don't mourn the doctor, but sympathize with a murderer??
Err yeah it's true, but I think it's because this doctor was "the worst of the worst," killing full-term babies. So I assume you don't think the ***** who gassed Jews deserved the death penalty?

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Sure, in all but the most extreme cases, but condone murder to support that view?
You mean death penalty? Is that murder too?
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That potential outcome being?
The clinic was closed in this case. Policy is changed in others... history has proven that resistance and force works. Do you disagree?
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Wait just a minute. I want to clarify something... most Christians DO sympathize with the guy who killed THIS PARTICULAR LATE TERM ABORTION DOCTOR. Late term abortion is intolerable by all standards but "ours" and I'm sure many Christians and Muslims would agree on this.

Many Christians silently support the destruction of abortion clinics (not innocents of course) and even support the harm to late term doctors who kill and continue to kill innocent children, JUST LIKE many American Muslims "silently" support "terrorism" if they agree with the potential outcome.

Common guys... quit beating around the bush.
Oh lawd.
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Err yeah it's true, but I think it's because this doctor was "the worst of the worst," killing full-term babies. So I assume you don't think the ***** who gassed Jews deserved the death penalty?
That is a ridiculous leap. Was the doctor was sentenced to death?

You mean death penalty? Is that murder too?
Probably, but at least there is a legal process behind that decision. Not just some loon deciding to gun down someone.

The clinic was closed in this case. Policy is changed in others... history has proven that resistance and force works. Do you disagree?
Ends do not justify the means.
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Holy crap, I just realized who I was trying to argue with.
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To say Islam is inherrently more violent or less tolerant of other religions than any of the other religions based on the same books (Christianity, Judaism) is silly. Yes, there are cultures that still adhere to literal, olden days interpretations, but that is the case for all religions.
No.
I can't find evidense of Christian terrorism that is on the same scale as Islamic terrorism.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

I have no idea what percentage of Christians these groups represent. Likely a very small number. Nowhere near as reported, either I'd wager.

Again, I find it interesting that these "Islamic bombings" seem to kill more Muslims than non-Muslims.
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"Genuine tragedies in the world are not conflicts between right and wrong. They are conflicts between two rights." - Georg Hegel

blame those who use religion to their advantage, not religion itself.
like our presidents for votes and the terrorist leaders to justify their actions.

KKK and other white supremacist organizations follow the bible closely

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No.
I can't find evidense of Christian terrorism that is on the same scale as Islamic terrorism.



1478 Spanish Inquisition

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquistion


And don't even start with the Crusades, the killing of the American Indians - whom the Christians would hang in groups of 13 to symbolize their Messiah and 12 apostles; then burn them alive.
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Originally Posted by ryball
Ends do not justify the means.
Em yeah they do... I think that's the stupidest thing I've ever read.

So nothing is worth fighting for?
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Old 06-10-2009, 03:29 PM
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If you want to call it Christian, what would Christ think? Would he support it?

If you want to call it Islamic, do you think Mohammed would?
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Em yeah they do... I think that's the stupidest thing I've ever read.

So nothing is worth fighting for?
The ends do NOT justify the means, especially in this case.



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If you want to call it Christian, what would Christ think? Would he support it?

If you want to call it Islamic, do you think Mohammed would?
Both would be utterly sickened by what their follows are doing in their names.
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Originally Posted by R-Dub
1478 Spanish Inquisition
Anyone else find it funny you had to go back over 500 years?
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