BEER TAX!?! Thats the last straw!!
 

[url]http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-05-20-beer-health-insurance_N.htm[/url]

Dear Mr. Obama,

With all due respect...


[FONT="Arial Black"][SIZE="5"]**** YOU!!!!![/SIZE][/FONT]



:wtfdude:

In the effort to pay for healthcare people who are to lazy to pay for themselves, we will now be taxed on beer, wine, and liquor.

tax will go up an additional:

:drunk:$.50 a 6 pack/ $2 a case

:drunk:$.50 per bottle of wine

:drunk:$.40 per fifth of booze.

also because all obesity is soda's fault they will also be taxing energy drinks and soda.

diet drinks wont be taxed however

what in the mother **** is going on...



this might be the last straw that starts the revolution

Hmmmmmm, another reason to home brew :)

As soon as I read the thread title I literally started laughing. Thats awesome.

But think how you'll feeeeeeeeelllllll helping all those poor children with medical care.

[B]This Tax Is for You[/B]

[url]http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123976316293519743.html[/url]

Looks like Oregon got to vote on a similar proposal last month.

[QUOTE=Paul@dbtuned;2617432]But think how you'll feeeeeeeeelllllll helping all those poor children with medical care.[/QUOTE]

Actually, given I have diabetes, it'd help me with affordable health care. I could literally drink to my health(care) :lol:

Drink up you drunkies!

it's bs i hate the the government helps people out so such. The parents should bet a hob with health benefits not make me pay for it lol

[QUOTE=04caliwrx;2617466]it's bs i hate the the government helps people out so such. The parents should bet a hob with health benefits not make me pay for it lol[/QUOTE]

:lol: I hope you don't seriously think this is a viable solution to health care issues in the current (and projected future) economic situation.

I don't know if government run health care would be the best option, but I do think government regulation would be great. You really don't know the kind of BS the insurance companies try to pull until you've actually had to deal with it.

All I ask is:

Where is a viable strategy to fix health care from the Republicans?

This is not about helping poor people. They already get assistance. This is about helping the growing number of middle class Americans without health care.

[url]http://www.nchc.org/facts/coverage.shtml[/url]

Whiskey Rebellion anyone?

The bigger issue is why people keep looking to the gov't, rather to themselves, for a solution?

[QUOTE=Magish;2617505]All I ask is:

Where is a viable strategy to fix health care from the Republicans?

This is not about helping poor people. They already get assistance. This is about helping the growing number of middle class Americans without health care.

[url]http://www.nchc.org/facts/coverage.shtml[/url][/QUOTE]

And, if it's that big of a problem that needs attending to, why not have everyone pay for it?

[QUOTE=Paul@dbtuned;2617543]The bigger issue is why people keep looking to the gov't, rather to themselves, for a solution?[/QUOTE]

Because health insurance is not affordable. It's ok, you never seem to grasp those tough concepts, we no longer expect you to.

[QUOTE=VRT MBasile;2617545]Because health insurance is not affordable. It's ok, you never seem to grasp those tough concepts, we no longer expect you to.[/QUOTE]

Why be a dick?

What right do you have to "affordable" [I]government controlled[/I] healthcare?

It seems that I'm not the one having a hard time grasping tough concepts?

so, will this effect the amount of alcohol consumed?

lets say no: people will spend more on alcohol and less on other areas and the economy will suffer in those areas. Also, as they are dealing with less money for other activities, they will become depressed and drink more, putthing them in a worse position. Also, people will continue to drink their pepsi and cokes, but the extra money spent on that will no longer be available for gym fees, only adding to the obeseness they have.

lets say yes: people who depend on alcohol sales for a living will be hurting financially. Less people will be drinking, so less DUIs will happen. This will make driving safer yes, but the revenue the state will see will decrease and that will mean that layoffs may happen. Overall, jobs will be lost and incomes will be hurt due to the decreased purchase of alcohol and soda products.

[quote=VRT Gump;2617587]so, will this effect the amount of alcohol consumed?

lets say no: people will spend more on alcohol and less on other areas and the economy will suffer in those areas. Also, as they are dealing with less money for other activities, they will become depressed and drink more, putthing them in a worse position. Also, people will continue to drink their pepsi and cokes, but the extra money spent on that will no longer be available for gym fees, only adding to the obeseness they have.

lets say yes: people who depend on alcohol sales for a living will be hurting financially. Less people will be drinking, so less DUIs will happen. This will make driving safer yes, but the revenue the state will see will decrease and that will mean that layoffs may happen. Overall, jobs will be lost and incomes will be hurt due to the decreased purchase of alcohol and soda products.[/quote]

That's a little over generalized...We are talking about a $0.50 hike here...not enough to say people 'stop spending money in other areas of the economy'.

My guess? This will have a minimal, if any, effect on the economy as a whole.

I wonder how much a beer will cost at a Giants game now? 15.00 for a 10oz. :)

legalize pot, problem solved?

Hmmm, it seems to me the only way to tax fairly is to tax evenly (as a % is fairest IMHO) - I hate the sin taxes, no I'm not a big drinker and I don't smoke, but it seems that everyone should pay more-or-less evenly into the system for fairness.

Paul, I think everyone should be entitled to health care...it makes me sick when I see someones family torn up for medical care costs - my sister lost her home and her job and has insane debt due to cancer...she wasn't poor enough to qualify for any govt programs and certainly wasn't rich enough to pay for them herself. Her work fired her when they found out she had cancer, bet you didn't know that's legal. This kind of thing seems unreasonable to me in a modern society, just like everyone pays for everyone elses kids education, everyone should pay for health care.

[quote=VRT Gump;2617627]I wonder how much a beer will cost at a Giants game now? 15.00 for a 10oz. :)[/quote]

$8.75 with a souvenir cup. $7.00 regular. So just add $0.20-0.30.

[quote=Jin;2617642]legalize pot, problem solved?[/quote]

Not that simple. We've discussed it.

yeah, add .20-.30 cents for their costs. doesnt mean .20-.30 cents to us because you know they need to make their money :)

and legalizing pot would stimulate huge amounts of income and jobs throughout the US. There are a lot of side effects, but the only ones that would really be losing out is the drug dealers, and honetly they can go drive off a short bridge.

Ok..so we "legalize" it and tax it. Well what is to stop people from just growing it at home? Do they have to pay the tax? How do tell who is growing how much?

After a few years then, what happens if the government wants to raise taxes to the point where it essentially becomes illegal again? Which is the trouble that faced us a few years ago - cannabis cultivation itself wasn't illegal - it was just taxed so heavily that you had to pay an exorbitant fee to cultivate.

That is the problem with trying to tax the plant - you run into these problems that still gives the government the ability to put the screws on the people. That is why I firmly believe that the only way to go about it is making it 100% free but REGULATED.

like tobacco?

How about people get to choose if they want health insurance?

[QUOTE=VRT Gump;2617701]like tobacco?[/QUOTE]
6.XX a pack now first of the year 3.86

i quit

[quote=VRT Gump;2617701]like tobacco?[/quote]


Yeah and look what happened! They increased the tax almost triplicate!

And Paul - I agree. I like to be able to choose my own Dr., specialists, hospital and coverage - I don't want the government to dictate any of that.

[QUOTE=Paul@dbtuned;2617543]The bigger issue is why people keep looking to the gov't, rather to themselves, for a solution?[/QUOTE]

But wouldn't you say there is a fundamental flaw in the system when millions of hard working middle class Americans simply cannot afford health care? If we were talking about homeless people or the perpetually unemployed I could agree with you. The problem is that the people who get ****ed under the present system are those who are not rich enough to afford health care, and not poor enough to get governmental assistance under preexisting programs. They are the hard working people who you and I both need for our businesses to succeed. When someone works their ass off ten to twelve hours a day and still cannot provide health care for their children, IMO it shows there is a problem in the system.

here you go free healthcare and stuff.. no it's not free with higher taxes.

healthcare is a responsibility the govr shouldn't have any say... states like cali cant even operate there's, how is the federal govr gona do any better? tax the hell out of you! big govr is bad government! govr is not the solution it's the problem!

[QUOTE=Paul@dbtuned;2617432]But think how you'll feeeeeeeeelllllll helping all those poor children with medical care.[/QUOTE]

illegal children

[QUOTE=sigma pi;2617707]6.XX a pack now first of the year 3.86

[B]i quit[/B][/QUOTE]
prove it :p :lol:

[QUOTE=Traxamillion;2617740]here you go free healthcare and stuff.. no it's not free with higher taxes.

healthcare is a responsibility the govr shouldn't have any say... states like cali cant even operate there's, how is the federal govr gona do any better? tax the hell out of you! big govr is bad government! govr is not the solution it's the problem![/QUOTE]

Where did you get the notion that this is to provide free health care?

This is about the government offering an affordable health insurance plan to people who can't afford private coverage.

[QUOTE=Superglue WRX;2618094]Where did you get the notion that this is to provide free health care?

This is about the government offering an affordable health insurance plan to people who can't afford private coverage.[/QUOTE]

because the beer tax is to pay for the people who cant afford healthcare

so for them

dun dun dun...

free healthcare.


what i dont get is they are pretty much saying if you drink beer or regular soda you are living an unhealthy lifestyle therefore you should be taxed to help pay for those who are/arent healthy.

what about mcdonalds and burger king. far more people eat there than drink beer. why blame it all on beer and red bull? go after the artery cloggers.

but they have salads.


salads that have more fat and calories than the value meals, but they are still salads :)

[QUOTE=Irish_car_B0mb;2618716]because the beer tax is to pay for the people who cant afford healthcare

so for them

dun dun dun...

free healthcare.


what i dont get is they are pretty much saying if you drink beer or regular soda you are living an unhealthy lifestyle therefore you should be taxed to help pay for those who are/arent healthy.

what about mcdonalds and burger king. far more people eat there than drink beer. why blame it all on beer and red bull? go after the artery cloggers.[/QUOTE]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the situation, but when does this become free health care?

Sin taxes are bull**** and use smokers and drinkers as scapegoats to fund whatever the current popular policy is.

[quote=Superglue WRX;2618886]Sin taxes are bull**** and use smokers and drinkers as scapegoats to fund whatever the current popular policy is.[/quote]

Don't forget modders.

yes, but not just imports, also those that drive on 22"s and the old school impalas and cutlass' that are "drug dealer" cars as well as the "ricers" and "racers"

[QUOTE=Paul@dbtuned;2617543]The bigger issue is why people keep looking to the gov't, rather to themselves, for a solution?[/QUOTE]

+1 :owws: