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11-17-2016, 02:40 PM
#31
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I just find it funny that you would make fun of EQ for slapping their badge on a china turbo, marking up the price by a huge chunk, and selling it with a straight face, but now that Cobb is doing the same thing it's suddenly better? No offense, you know ILU <3<3 but I just don't understand.
Just like they claim that stg2+sf completely maxes the stock injectors on the 15+ sti, just cause they want you to buy their "stg3" setup which costs over a grand. Meanwhile every single 15/16 sti I've tuned in the past few months has been completely fine and nowhere near the 108% duty cycle they claim.
To me, that's bogus. And they can't claim elevation because Sac is about as low as it gets, if anyone was to max out injectors, it would be us.
To me, that's bogus. And they can't claim elevation because Sac is about as low as it gets, if anyone was to max out injectors, it would be us.
I wasn't trashing EQ's turbos because they were "eBay turbos". I was trashing them because they were EQ's turbos. See my previous comments.
Because, like I said, the goal here is more power above 5k. With the way the car is currently setup, all the time spent above 5k feels like a waste since it just falls flat and constantly having to shift up and down between 2nd and 3rd while steering is more than my lack of coordination can handle.
11-17-2016, 03:06 PM
#34
I completely agree regarding the reputation. But that's not the discussion here, my big issue is that they're both doing the same thing, putting a badge on a turbo, marking up the price by about 40%, and calling it a day. But I see that wasn't your issue with EQ before so nevermind. Cobb injectors: same ID injectors that everyone gets. Except they're more expensive, because they have "Cobb" etched into them. LOL
Anyways, I don't want to sound like I completely hate the company. There are really cool things they're doing that I love, like 32bit flex-fuel tuning and supporting modsf for that. It's cool. I'm glad it's finally out. I am actually playing with that now.
Back to turbo selection: what about the 20g xtr 8cm? if you pair it with FR 1.5 scroll hot parts or the killer beez kneez, you'll have an excellent tradeoff in lowend/topend.
Ryan had the 20gxt with the aps 1.5scroll elh and that thing hit hard before even 3500, and didn't choke til redline. 400tq for nearly 4k rpm. Just a thought.
Anyways, I don't want to sound like I completely hate the company. There are really cool things they're doing that I love, like 32bit flex-fuel tuning and supporting modsf for that. It's cool. I'm glad it's finally out. I am actually playing with that now.
Back to turbo selection: what about the 20g xtr 8cm? if you pair it with FR 1.5 scroll hot parts or the killer beez kneez, you'll have an excellent tradeoff in lowend/topend.
Ryan had the 20gxt with the aps 1.5scroll elh and that thing hit hard before even 3500, and didn't choke til redline. 400tq for nearly 4k rpm. Just a thought.
11-17-2016, 03:09 PM
#35
Another option is something like the hta68 or 71 with the 7cm hotside and EWG hot parts. holds 18-19psi to redline without choking and makes the power to back it up.
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btw I don't want to sound like I love small turbo's LULz. personally I would suggest an EFR 9180 buwahahhaha, but you need the lowend/transient of smaller snails for your parking lot racing
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btw I don't want to sound like I love small turbo's LULz. personally I would suggest an EFR 9180 buwahahhaha, but you need the lowend/transient of smaller snails for your parking lot racing
11-17-2016, 03:23 PM
#37
I think they're cool. But the cost/benefit ratio is not as appealing on a Subaru with 10 miles of hotside piping.
I recall a thread by one of the top dog EFR7163 guys on Nabisco who switch from SS to TS and gained like 300-400rpm of spool. For him it was a big deal because the car is making 500tq that much sooner, but I'm not convinced it would be a jaw dropper on say a 350whp setup. He also lost a bit of top end. Like you said, it's a lot of things to change, and all those things cost money.
On cars like the evo, where the turbo sits 4" away from exhaust ports, it's balleur
I recall a thread by one of the top dog EFR7163 guys on Nabisco who switch from SS to TS and gained like 300-400rpm of spool. For him it was a big deal because the car is making 500tq that much sooner, but I'm not convinced it would be a jaw dropper on say a 350whp setup. He also lost a bit of top end. Like you said, it's a lot of things to change, and all those things cost money.
On cars like the evo, where the turbo sits 4" away from exhaust ports, it's balleur
11-17-2016, 03:24 PM
#38
Have you looked into the EFR turbo's?
the 6258 or the 6758 on your car with the FR "kit" would be AMAZING. torque everywhere. 400whp to redline.
or step up to the 7163 and make 500/500.
the ones I've tuned on Miata's so far have all impressed me too. seriously killer turbo
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the 6258 or the 6758 on your car with the FR "kit" would be AMAZING. torque everywhere. 400whp to redline.
or step up to the 7163 and make 500/500.
the ones I've tuned on Miata's so far have all impressed me too. seriously killer turbo
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Last edited by Vladi; 11-17-2016 at 03:37 PM.
11-17-2016, 03:49 PM
#40
No, not "Subaru stock location", but go check out the Full Race thread - they made a kit that includes up/dp and various hardware effectively stuffing it in the "stock location" just like you want. And their hotside and iwg design is much superior to any "Subaru stock location" design.
When all said and done, I bet it would end up costing no more than a TS setup. Likely less actually
When all said and done, I bet it would end up costing no more than a TS setup. Likely less actually
11-17-2016, 04:13 PM
#41
The BW EFR 6758 is exactly what I would do had I not already purchased all the twinscroll stuff prior to learning of it.
It's the Turbo that the two Subaru's who are actually competitive in SM at Solo2 Nationals runs, actually gives the Panda 240 a run for its money
It's the Turbo that the two Subaru's who are actually competitive in SM at Solo2 Nationals runs, actually gives the Panda 240 a run for its money
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11-17-2016, 04:25 PM
#42
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Doing some more digging, it doesn't look like (at least on the FR site) you can get the 6758 "kit" (turbo, up pipe and down pipe).
The 6758 definitely looks tempting, but the T3/T25 only option kind kills it for me since I would have to pay a premium for all new boltons. The appeal of the twin scroll setup is that the manifold, up pipe and down pipe can be sourced (OEM) for a few hundred bucks, and not a few thousand like the EFR turbos.
The 6758 definitely looks tempting, but the T3/T25 only option kind kills it for me since I would have to pay a premium for all new boltons. The appeal of the twin scroll setup is that the manifold, up pipe and down pipe can be sourced (OEM) for a few hundred bucks, and not a few thousand like the EFR turbos.
11-17-2016, 09:26 PM
#43
That's another reason to do twinscroll, and part of why I'm sticking with it and not selling to change things up. Also one of the guys running the efr is an automotive engineer with access to proper fabrication equipment and made his own piping...
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