thats how mine is

sorry i wasnt clear enough

 

SCROTH is DOT TUV and FIA approved

atleast teh one i have

the 7 point + arm restraints is for pro racing stuff not for us at all

 

its pretty dangerous

if you crash and the belt doesnt lock you can eat a metal bar

 

OK so i spoke with the NorCal Nasa official guy.

He says that the schroth rallye 4 harness is approved for HPDE only.

He said he recommends a 5 point for racing, just told me to make sure it is bolted properly when i do install the 5 point.

This is my next question and hopefully sigma can answer.

IS the TT part of HPDE 4? if so i would still be able to use that harness, at least until i get a 5 or 6 point later down the road. or are time trials their own class?

 

haha gonna pose my own question i think your talk to the offical guy might have answered it but a specific answer would be nice....im workin up the hpde still running around doing group1/2 so if i get a 4pt and a harness bar should i be ok? at least while im still in hpde anyway?

 

i will post you exactly what i wrote him. i do not have a harness bar. the harness i asked him abotu does not require one. here is what i said

Hello Jerry,

My name is Ryan. I have emailed you on a few occasions regarding my gift certificate i have had along with other questions. However I have a new question for you.

I have read through the NASA club codes and regulations. I have read this cover to cover, but yet I still cannot find a 100% solid answer.

I drive a 2006 Subaru WRX Wagon. I am goign to be starting my NASA racing season in class HDPE 2 very soon and I have been getting all of my safety equpiment together. I have a brand new Pyrotect helmet SA 2005, fire extinguisher, new tires, and I am due to have my car tech'd. One piece of equipment I am interested in getting is a racing harness. The harness I am interested in getting I have not found whether it is approved or not.

I am looking at getting the Schroth Rallye 4 Harness. http://www.schrothracing.com/product...allye/rallye-4

An additional site with info is: http://www.soloracer.com/rallye4.html

In one part of the rules and regulations is harnesses must be 5,6, or 7 point (sec. 15.5 page 56), however at the same time it says DOT approved seatbelts are allowed as well (sec. 11.4.8 page 44). The Schroth is 4 point DOT apporved harness with ASM (anti-submarine) technology.

If you could clear this up for me I would be very thankful. As i said safety is my #1 goal and I wouldnt want to purchase something that would not be in my best interest for safety. Thank You again for your time to read my email, and I look forward to your response.

Have A Great Day,

Ryan

he responded with



Ryan,



We will allow the Schroth ASM DOT belts in HPDE (only).



I can’t give you an official opinion on what is safer, but if it were me, I would get an SFI or FIA 5 pt harness. At least I know they are ok for racing, which is typically higher impacts. And, I would probably save some money as a side benefit.



If you consider the 5 pt harness, just be sure to mount it properly.



Jerry

 

I wouldn't bother upgrading unless you go the full 5 pt route then do it right. You can't race with a Y on the shoulder harnesses and the 20 degree rule will nix the rear seat mount. I also think I read somewhere that the anti-submarine has to go through the seat (not around the front) , but didn't see it in the copied text above.

Stock belts are likely fine for HPDE as the conditions are pretty controlled.

 

so you are going to go proracing right not just track days?


i thought we were talking about track days wh00ps

yeah you need a hardcore set up

its going to be $$$


see GST they can help get your car ready for NASA

 

Thanks but, I think i will stick with what the NorCal NASA Head Guy says.

The ASM in the schroth harness is an extra piece that is attached to the seatbelt in the back.that tightens up one side before the other in an impact to keep you from ending up under the dash. Being that it is a 4 point harness there would not be a belt to go up through the seat. if you click either of the links and read you will see what i am talkin about.

and the Y belt is approved in the HPDE becuase there is still 2 anchor points not just one as the Schrothe Rallye 3 has.

 

no, sigma, i am talkign about doing just track days. i am saying that if someone were to want to do competition they would need a way more hardcore set up.

me i am just running my HPDE's.

my question for you was, isnt the HPDE 3 and 4 like a Time Trial, more than a competition race.

NSM doesnt know what he is talking about and should state such before he starts rolling off facts he doesnt know about.

 

The biggest advantage i see in having the 4 point for the track days is it will keep me in my seat better than the stock belts. with the 3 point i am constantly tryign to keep my *** in my seat, along with drving.

 

to go racing youll need a seat fixed back with the submarine hole in the bottom thats approved

and a harness but yeah you are going to spend some real $$ to go racing

i dunno how time attack is regulated

 

OH OK perfect
i run the scrhoth for track days

youll be fine

non timed events!

 

yeah i had that problem too

i got a recaro SRD and the schroth harness and im planted

 

My father in law got me into the racing and he was running the TTE (time trial events) and he was using his normal stock belt.

thats what jerry i think was saying is if you go competition or want to do the TTE then you either have to use stock setup or 5 point or better.

imma come down there for a weekend sigma, i will let you know, i assume you will be out there this year?