UPDATE:

Incase anyone had the same question as me, the schroth rallye 4 harness is NASA ok'd but for HPDE only. If you plan on doing competition racing it would require a 5,6, or 7 point harness or the stock 3 point.

So I have a question that I havent found an answer for yet.

Sigma kind of mentioned it in a earlier thread but i am hoping someone can provide some clairfication.

I am lookign to get a racing harness, preferably one i wont die in.

I also would like to do little interior modification to my car.

This is what I want to know, so please someone help.

I have been loking at the Schroth Rallye 4 harness. It is DOT approved which NASa rules say is fine, it has ASM system so i dont end up under the dash, however NASA rules also state 5,6 or 7 point harness.

so which is it?

If anyone is running the Rallye 4 and passed tech let me know. I really liek this belt as it seems safer than the stock 3 point, but i dont wanna buy it and not be able to use it. It is street legal, not that i wopuld use it there, and i dont see why it wouldnt be track approved.

TIA
-ryan

http://www.schrothracing.com/product...allye/rallye-4

or

http://www.soloracer.com/rallye4.html




or does anyoen know a 5 or 6 point that bolts into factory locations????

 

Ryan, if the rules state 5,6 or 7 point belt. i would try to find one of those since then you know for a fact it will work.

you are gunna get a harness bar right. bolting them to the chair can actually yank the chair out of the bolts holding it down BTW

 

no, no harness bar, not if i can avoid it at all cost.

it bolts to the seat belt attachments in the back. why would it yank the seat belt bolts out? that seems like anyone is ****ed if that is gonna happen. it bolts to the seat belt attachments in the back seat.

i cant find a 5,6 or 7 point that bolts into stock locations.

i would liek to keep the interior as passanger friendly as possible wihotut having to switch **** out all the time.

 

a harness bar is passenger friendly.

due to the extra stress on the seat bolts from your body pulling on them in a wreck the seat can possibly yank the bolts out. a harness bar just sets behind the seats. i sat in the back of an sti with them no probem.

 

Ryan, its not the seat bolts.

its the same bolts the seat belt bolts into. why woudl this create extra stress?

i will show you the set up. it bolts into the stock seat belt locations in the backseat. not to where the seat bolts into. (minus the clipping into stock seatbelt females, thats in the 02-05 only)



second of all i was hoping someoen that runs NASA could let me know

 

 

the bolts that hold the seatbelt to the frame for the regular seatbelts is where this bolts too.

maybe a wagon is dif than a sedan but i have my ground for my subs hooked into the other side, behind the pass, and the bolts for the seatbelt are diff than the bolts for the seat.

 

ok.. i was worried about you man....

 

The one that you are looking at (or the pic at least) is a 4 point harness, therefore it will NOT pass, and I am pretty sure that any harness that bolts to the rear seats will not pass.

And like I said before... with that setup, there is a possibility that the front seat will break in half from the stress or it will cause back injury to you.

I highly recommend getting a harness bar... there is a reason that those are made and bought.

 

NASA Club Rules and regulations


page 56
15.5 Driver restraint system
(See diagram at end of section)
1. All vehicles must have a five (5), six (6), or seven (7) point seat belt system. Arm
restraints are required in open cars and cars with: Open T-tops, Open Targa
tops, missing moon/sun roofs, or glass moon/sun roofs.
2. A five (5) point system consists of: a three (3) inch lap belt, two shoulder belts
that are either two (2) or three (3) inches wide, and a two (2) inch anti-submarine
strap.
3. A six (6) point system is recommended for cars where the driver is seated in an
upright (to thirty (30) degrees) or a semi-reclining position. It consists of two (2)
anti-submarine belts in addition to lap and shoulder belts. Note: Current FIA
Approved belt sets with two (2) inch lap belts are acceptable with the six (6) point
system.
4. A seven (7) point system is recommended for seats with more than thirty (30)
degrees of incline. Note: Current FIA Approved belt sets with two (2) inch lap
belts are acceptable with the seven (7) point system.
5. The material of all straps should be Nylon or polyester, and in new or perfect
condition. The buckles should be metal quick release. There should be a
common release for all belts. [Note: Certain Momo brand belts were recalled by
the manufacturer. These are NOT suitable for racing.]
6. The shoulder harness shall be mounted behind the driver and above a line drawn
downward from the shoulder point at an angle of no more than twenty (20)
degrees with the horizontal.
7. The seat, seat holes, and attachments to the seat are not permissible “harness
guides” for compliance with the angle requirement. Only specific harness guide
bars, or parts of the chassis or the cage are allowed to be used for this purpose.
The guide bar, if used, should not present a sharp edge to the belt. It should
provide as much area of support as possible to distribute the load.
8. Only separate shoulder straps are permitted. “H” type belts are allowed. “Y”
type belts are not allowed. Each shoulder strap must have an independent
mounting point.
9. All mounting hardware should be SAE grade five (5) or better. Large diameter
mounting washers should be used to spread the load. Bolting through floor
panels etc. is not acceptable without required washers.
10. All belts should meet at least one of the following:
A) SFI Specification 16.1 or 16.5 (for use with HANS only) and shall bear a
dated label of no more than two (2) years old. At least one date label is
required on belt sets.
B) A restraint system meeting FIA spec #8853/1985, 8853/98, or D-###.T/98,
including amendment 1/92 may be used. FIA certified belts have a label that
shows an expiration date. The belts cannot be used past December 31st of
the year shown on the label. At least one date label is required on belt sets.


page 44

MORe specifically unde rthe HPDE section

11.4.8 Seatbelts and Harnesses
The seatbelts should be in good condition. No damage may be present on the seatbelts
and they must be the factory configuration. Any harness or any restraint system, other
than factory stock, shall conform to CCR section #15.5, in all respects* except for the
expiration regulations. Harnesses that are expired for racing may be used providing that
they are in at least very good condition. The use of a lap belt without any shoulder
restraint is not permitted. Passenger seatbelts must meet the same minimum
requirements per the CCR as the driver seatbelts if being used by a passenger. Notepassenger
equipment need not match the installed equipment on the driver’s side.
*Aftermarket DOT-certified belt sets, installed to the manufacturer’s specifications may
be allowed. Proof of DOT certification and proper installation is the driver’s
responsibility.

 

and this particular seatbelt is DOT approved

 

one thing i guess i should clarify further is i am running HPDE not competition, or TT.

 

Idk man... Have you tried contacting an official?

 

yeah i emailed him, i am waiting for a response, thought i-club might be faster.

and to a point you mentions

the seatbelt anchor points attach to the chassis.

i was really just hoping somone had these and passed tech at a nasa race event.

 

I noticed that too and I know the stock seatbelts anchor to the chassis, I was getting at the roll cage and harness bar bit... also have you checked to see that it the rear seatbelt anchors fall within the 20 degree rule?