Why imports are better than American cars (was: A project, what do you think?)
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I have to do a really long research report on why Import cars are better than American cars, so if you guys want to post what you think i can use it in my report. I personally believe that my Subaru is better than most american cars today. I actually like the old Muscle cars of america, that is what i was raised on. I fell in love with my imports, i have owned an RX-7 turbo 2, and a Subaru Wrx. My dad used to have a 1972 corvette convertable, and my RX-7 blew it away. haha. So any replies would be helpful. thanks.
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Sounds like a good idea for a report. I'd prolly start with comparing the domestic markets that each import comes from (Japan or Europe or whatever...). I think the domestic markets is why the cars are better...just my opinion though, I've never done any research on it...
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My dad used to have a 1972 corvette convertable, and my RX-7 blew it away.
My dad used to have a 1972 corvette convertable, and my RX-7 blew it away.
I think build quality in late-model domestic cars costing $30,000+ is much better than ten years ago.
There are niche markets performance AWD cars such as the VW R32, the Mitsubishi EVO, and the WRX and STi. Domestic manufacturers have no performance AWD vehicles, yet. Japanese companies don't have anything like the exotic, high-end sports cars made by Ferrari or Porsche. I refer to cars that are manufactured for import into the U.S., not gray market cars that aren't made to be sold here.
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Try comparing build up cost per hp, gas consumption per hp, reliablilty, avaliability of parts, and everyday drivability. Always keep in mind that there are many sides to every argument. This is one that devoted muslce car fans will argue to the grave so be ready... good luck and please, post your final writen paper.
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For the most part, America builds trucks these days, as opposed to cars. Of course there are obvious exceptions, but the truck market is where the big 3 make a lot of their money these days.
How about researching the lousy quality of most things designed and built in america for sale in america. the fat capitalist pig business has no concern about being the "best" or even "really damn good" nope.. for a product to be successful the only factors that matter are "good enough", and ROI (cheap to manufacture). because the only people that matter are the stock holders.
If american builders get an image for building crap it's more cost effective to spread some propaganda about their competitors. bottom line is that decisions that affect the quality of the product are being made not in the interest of product, but in the interest of making money.
Another angle is education. everyone knows how superior just about any other nation's education system is compared to our own. we don't have as many quality engineers and the ones we do have certainly aren't making any important decisions (that would just get in the way of our money making).
If american builders get an image for building crap it's more cost effective to spread some propaganda about their competitors. bottom line is that decisions that affect the quality of the product are being made not in the interest of product, but in the interest of making money.
Another angle is education. everyone knows how superior just about any other nation's education system is compared to our own. we don't have as many quality engineers and the ones we do have certainly aren't making any important decisions (that would just get in the way of our money making).
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One thing to consider is that up to the first fuel crisis (1974), Domestic car makers had a monopoly on the market for regular cars. There were imports around, but the only import that sold in big numbers was the VW Beetle (the original air cooled Beetle). Apart from that people mostly wanted large rear drive V8 cars, and domestic car makers were very good at that sort of car. Plus quality wasn't much of an issue in those days, which car had the most and newest gadgets, most power really interested buyers.
When the price of gas went up so much in the 70s it allowed the Japanese to take up alot of normal car sales. The cars were well built and economical, and this was now important to buyers. The domestic industry didn't know that much about making a small, well made economical car because the American public never asked, until the price of gas suddenly went up.
Overseas car makers have had to deal with high gas prices for many years, that gave them entry to the US market. This has allowed them to grab a big market share for normal cars because they don't make just one kind of car (you have your V12 German cars and at the other end the Toyota Corolla). Whereas domestic makers don't really sell their cars overseas, so as was said above they have retreated to making trucks and big SUVs. Well, that's something to think about anyway. Good luck with your research project.
When the price of gas went up so much in the 70s it allowed the Japanese to take up alot of normal car sales. The cars were well built and economical, and this was now important to buyers. The domestic industry didn't know that much about making a small, well made economical car because the American public never asked, until the price of gas suddenly went up.
Overseas car makers have had to deal with high gas prices for many years, that gave them entry to the US market. This has allowed them to grab a big market share for normal cars because they don't make just one kind of car (you have your V12 German cars and at the other end the Toyota Corolla). Whereas domestic makers don't really sell their cars overseas, so as was said above they have retreated to making trucks and big SUVs. Well, that's something to think about anyway. Good luck with your research project.
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Originally Posted by gordy
... the fat capitalist pig business has no concern about being the "best" or even "really damn good" nope.. for a product to be successful the only factors that matter are "good enough", and ROI (cheap to manufacture). because the only people that matter are the stock holders.
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bottom line is that decisions that affect the quality of the product are being made not in the interest of product, but in the interest of making money.
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bottom line is that decisions that affect the quality of the product are being made not in the interest of product, but in the interest of making money.
Secondly, the idea that a quality product is at odds with the interest of making money is just silly. The bar of "good enough" is always being raised by the competition. Competition and people's desire to make money is why captalism works. Sorry to break it to you, man.
FWIW, GM, Ford and Dodge make world class trucks, and not coincidentally, that is where they make a lot of their money.
Most if not all European countries are socialist as is Japan. The closer govt. and business get is socialism(lobbyists). Anyways I favor capitalism, sometimes big companies try to squash it politically or otherwise. Is this going to turn into a Mustang vs. Camaro type thing or what. I own domestic and import cars, depends on the flavor of the day. It's not a bargain if you don't like it.
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The Japanese seem to maintain quality even when they set up factories overseas. So Japanese cars built in the US have higher quality than cars made by the big 3. With domestic car makers there is still a divide between management and workers, but the Japanese car makers seem to bring over work practices where they involve employees.
There also seems to have been a cultural shift. Why are the sorts of cars that used to be popular and on every street no longer popular? It's often said this group is the type that now buys trucks and such.
Maybe the underlying question isn't why are imports better, more like what factors have caused them to take over the market?
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60s GM F body
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There also seems to have been a cultural shift. Why are the sorts of cars that used to be popular and on every street no longer popular? It's often said this group is the type that now buys trucks and such.
Maybe the underlying question isn't why are imports better, more like what factors have caused them to take over the market?
6.6 liter Gremlin
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60s GM F body
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I think the qualitiy of domestic cars has a lot to do with the American consumer and the fact that the Big 3 gave up on the market sometime in 1981. If you look at Big 3 products in Europe, they sell well, are efficient and high quality- because the European market has always demanded that. Domestic products were so bad for so long because Americans were willing the buy them, and only after the quality was so poor and the cost of gas was so high, did the consumers turn to imports. I think the general quality of American cars is getting better, and has been doing so since the mid 90's. But it will take a while before the american consumer will trust the Big 3 the way they used to.
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Let's not forget that North America is the biggest "free" market out there. There is no other country on the planet that allows the importation of great amounts of consumer goods without a heavy tax penalty. I doubt Japanese and certainly European car makers could afford the quality they build into their cars selling only in their market(s). While a pluriality of American cars would not fare well in other markets, there are still people that would like to buy a cheap new car in other countries, for them a crapelier would do the job. However by the time it gets there it is taxed so much it ceases to be a cheap car. Foreign car makers benefit by selling their products here while having protectionist laws in effect in their own country. We benefit by having choices not available to others. There are cars I would like to see here, but at the same time there are plenty of sheety cars over "there". I doubt there are alot of twentysomething owners of STI and Evo autos(taking into consideration the per capita stats) in other countries. This isn't a yea or nay post, just thought I'd share what little I know. The Korean market is included in the countries with protectionist laws(import taxes).


