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Old Sep 23, 2004 | 11:00 PM
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my ACT clutch as wierd as it sounds its nice to drive around in the city because it grabs so early...

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Old Sep 24, 2004 | 12:00 AM
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I dont have a problem going up the hill. Its just the damn roll back that sucks!


A little off topic, but since you race miatas, SpecWRX, do you happen to know Aaron Tachibana?
Old Sep 24, 2004 | 12:12 AM
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if you want a little more wind up going up hills replace your stock crank pulley with a perrin lightweight crank pulley. better low end torque a little more power, but hey don't we all need a little more power.
Old Sep 24, 2004 | 12:19 AM
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it took some getting used to, but its really not that bad driving the car around SF hills. Its got enough grunt and first gear is short enough to get you started at pretty much any incline... after that, you just have to keep the rpms above 3500-4000 to keep it pulling smoothly up the hill. You do have to slip the clutch somewhat slowly around 2000RPM in first to get going and this takes a bit of finesse but can deffinately be mastered. You really have to slip it quite a bit if the incline is bad, but I can do it just fine without smelling the clutch at all and I have over 50k on the stock clutch.

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Old Sep 24, 2004 | 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted by SpecWRX
but still, pull off the turbo, and you've got at least 160hp+ but gearing, weight etc. is obviously different...
On a rex? Nope. Take away boost and you've got yourself a nice little 110 hp car with no torque. You know, just like it is from a start up a hill.
Old Sep 24, 2004 | 09:53 AM
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Cool

Wow!

didn't think the turbo acounted for half the power, but that's forced induction for you.. like the idea of the lighter pully. Will go that route after 36K.

I sold my #24 SM car to a guy from Silicon Valley.. he stripped off all my old sponsor graphics and must look like any Silver Stone Metallic Miata by now..

Nice thing with Mazda Comp. you can buy a new Bosal BroSpeed Stainless 2 1/4" downpipe back exhaust for $170. Miata's are the best cheap road-race cars....

I raced in SoCal only... did some Ariz and Vegas Region, but never raced Seca, Thunderhill, Sears, etc.

As you guys know, Gary Sheehan has kicked *** in WRX....
Old Sep 24, 2004 | 08:44 PM
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As you guys know, Gary Sheehan has kicked *** in WRX....
Until he sold it to some jerk who pulled off the i-club and seccs.org stickers.
Old Sep 26, 2004 | 10:17 AM
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Yup exactly

Originally Posted by vaus
it took some getting used to, but its really not that bad driving the car around SF hills. Its got enough grunt and first gear is short enough to get you started at pretty much any incline... after that, you just have to keep the rpms above 3500-4000 to keep it pulling smoothly up the hill. You do have to slip the clutch somewhat slowly around 2000RPM in first to get going and this takes a bit of finesse but can deffinately be mastered. You really have to slip it quite a bit if the incline is bad, but I can do it just fine without smelling the clutch at all and I have over 50k on the stock clutch.

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Yeah, I totally agree....These little 2.0 engines are nothing without turbo boost. They demand that you be agressive with them. Don't be scared. 1st and 2nd gears are your friends on hills. Don't be affraid to rev them out to 5000rpms. You'll scoot up any hill faster than most other cars in your price range. I've been driving in S.F. now for many years...there is no hill my WRX can't dominate. Granted, you need to know how to work the clutch otherwise you'll kill 'em. Again, without boost you'll putt up the hill like grandma (no forgiving V8 torque here). With boost 3K RPM's and up, you'll fly up any. BTW 95K miles on stock clutch.
Old Sep 26, 2004 | 01:15 PM
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This isn't an engine issue, it's a driving technique issue. What you've got with the EJ20 is a low-compression, small displacement engine when off-boost. It does take more skill to start off on an incline in a WRX than it does a Dodge Viper or even late-model 4.6 liter Mustang.

It can be done, though - never encountered a hill in the City or anywhere else in normal driving where I had a big problem with rollback. It just takes practice. It's a matter of revving the engine and slipping the clutch just enough to prevent stalling but not too much that it fries the clutch before you get underway.

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Old Sep 26, 2004 | 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Wingless Wonder
This isn't an engine issue, it's a driving technique issue. What you've got with the EJ20 is a low-compression, small displacement engine when off-boost. It does take more skill to start off on an incline in a WRX than it does a Dodge Viper or even late-model 4.6 liter Mustang.
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Agreed. This is my first manual car, and i can balance the clutch to make the car inch its way up or at the very least maintain it's current position on a uphill climb without rolling back from a dead stop.
Old Sep 26, 2004 | 09:15 PM
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Old Sep 27, 2004 | 01:15 PM
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BTW, this is part of the reason we have such a heavy flywheel... more inertial energy waiting for you when you come off the stop.

-- Ed
Old Sep 27, 2004 | 02:10 PM
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Exactly, Ed. I would think a lightened flywheel would make the car less streetable - ie. easier to stall.
Old Sep 27, 2004 | 04:29 PM
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Using the hand brake with careful clutch/gas engagement has always worked for me. Although not a native of San Francisco (I lived close enough to have learned never to abbreviate its name) I have driven there many times, starting with my '40 Studebaker (4 banger, 3 speed w/overdrive) so I know the technique works. Learn it, use it! Besides, once revs are 2-3K, you're ready for takeoff. Love *** Hill!
Old Sep 27, 2004 | 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by BlingBlingBlue
Exactly, Ed. I would think a lightened flywheel would make the car less streetable - ie. easier to stall.
Indeed it does. But to be honest, you need to be pretty decent with the clutch pedal to begin with if you add a ligth flywheel and aggressive clutch. I've driven in San Francisco with my 12 lb. Exedy + clutch, and while it's certainly more difficult than stock, it's far from impossible. Just takes a slightly higher level of skill.



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