Subaru needs to step up...
 

...to combat this:

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Discuss.

I think the first thing Subaru needs to do is build a better motor (internally). The Sti will probably go to the new FA series motor but for god sakes put some forged Pistons/Connecting rods in the engine. For me the 305hp rating the Sti is less of an issue than the cast pieces used in a so called performance motor, the reason the HP in the Sti isn't increasing is that the engine cannot handle the extra ponies.

[QUOTE=damianwrb07;3510229]I think the first thing Subaru needs to do is build a better motor (internally). The Sti will probably go to the new FA series motor but for god sakes put some forged Pistons/Connecting rods in the engine. For me the 305hp rating the Sti is less of an issue than the cast pieces used in a so called performance motor, the reason the HP in the Sti isn't increasing is that the engine cannot handle the extra ponies.[/QUOTE]

The STI needs more than forged pistons to compete. It also needs better gas mileage - some of the new 2 Liter turbo's (some are even pushing more power) have much better gas mileage.

[QUOTE=Funks;3510235]The STI needs more than forged pistons to compete. It also needs better gas mileage - some of the new 2 Liter turbo's (some are even pushing more power) have much better gas mileage.[/QUOTE]

The AWD is the big culprit here honestly.

If that Golf R hits the states it will be like $42,000 base price probably.

The current Golf R isn't even that great for the money. You can't even turn traction control off all the way until you flash the ECU.

I guarantee we wont get this car.

eh after seeing the suspension upgrade they did to the STi, im not too worried about power

[QUOTE=apetron;3510236]The AWD is the big culprit here honestly.[/QUOTE]

That 2L on the CLA45 AMG has 360HP, it's also AWD and it gets 23 CITY and 31 Highway. Subaru has to aim higher - my GR only gets around 20 miles per gallon - the engine sucks and they need to do better (reliability, mileage and power).

The M235i has a 6 cylinder inline-6 turbo making 320 WHP and it gets 32 MPG highway.

Why are these engines so much more efficient than the current subaru 4 cylinder engines?

uh...its STILL a VW, that means at 60k, the electrical will go haywire and it will **** out the axles.

[QUOTE=Funks;3510250]That 2L on the CLA45 AMG has 360HP, it's also AWD and it gets 23 CITY and 31 Highway. Subaru has to aim higher - my GR only gets around 20 miles per gallon - the engine sucks and they need to do better (reliability, mileage and power).

The M235i has a 6 cylinder inline-6 turbo making 320 WHP and it gets 32 MPG highway.

Why are these engines so much more efficient than the current subaru 4 cylinder engines?[/QUOTE]

talking about mpg? think you belong to the prius forum

[QUOTE=bkblitzed;3510255]talking about mpg? think you belong to the prius forum[/QUOTE]

I'm talking about reliability / performance / gas mileage.. The industry has improved in all three during the last 10 years..

[QUOTE=Funks;3510250]That 2L on the CLA45 AMG has 360HP, it's also AWD and it gets 23 CITY and 31 Highway. Subaru has to aim higher - my GR only gets around 20 miles per gallon - the engine sucks and they need to do better (reliability, mileage and power).
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How do you think the CLA45 will do on that 2L pushing 27psi of boost?

I just dont see it being very reliable in the long run.

subaru does need to step it up. Lets speak hypothetically and say they do make a "better" sti….350hp motor,with better pistons,standard BBS wheels,nicer seats (hell even mustangs are getting recaros) better interior, better aero/looks….etc. that will be probably a 40-50k dollar car, maybe not worth it

[QUOTE=apetron;3510236]The AWD is the big culprit here honestly.[/QUOTE]

I feel the boxer configuration has something to contribute too.

[QUOTE=Funks;3510250]Why are these engines so much more efficient than the current subaru 4 cylinder engines?[/QUOTE]

By its very design a boxer engine is not very fuel efficient. Even the air cooled VW 1200cc could only get 22-25mpg real life.


It comes down to this: Power, MPG, and Reliability you only get to pick TWO of them.