Private car sales; recording low sales price?

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Old Oct 26, 2008 | 07:17 PM
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Private car sales; recording low sales price?

I've been trying to figure out the dynamic of private car sales for a while now. I know that when you register a new vehicle purchase you have to give them the purchase price and pay tax on that. However, I have heard many times of people recording the sales price wayyy below the actual so that they dont have to pay full tax on it. I'm talking $20,000 purchase, recorded at $5,000, netting an over $1200 savings on tax.

My question is this: do these people ever get audited/ is there an audit that goes out on someone if theres an obvious discrepancy in purchase price? Obviously something would look weird if someone bought a 1 year old lexus second hand and said they paid 5 grand for it...but is there a government agency that enforces this? I know this seems sketchy, but I've never bought a used car from a private seller (inhereted the first car, bought the current car from a dealer new) so I wouldnt know.
Old Oct 26, 2008 | 07:22 PM
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I know many people who have done this and they have never been audited, im not sure if there is an agency or not
Old Oct 26, 2008 | 07:26 PM
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when my buddy bought a 68 mustang fastback, he paid $12K but only reported it sold for $2000. it can work for older cars, but a year old lex is gonna throw some flags, especially if it doesnt have a salvage title.
Old Oct 26, 2008 | 07:54 PM
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Dunno if they do it here, but in WA if you under report it too much, they will bill you the tax based on the Blue Book value until you provide them some good reason the car was sold so far under market price.
Old Oct 26, 2008 | 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by mcowger
Dunno if they do it here, but in WA if you under report it too much, they will bill you the tax based on the Blue Book value until you provide them some good reason the car was sold so far under market price.
Well, add the cost of the new engine and transmission, and you've got blue book, right?
Old Oct 26, 2008 | 08:16 PM
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I know that "people" have done this on cars such as a 2004 wrx, not like 15G's less but like 6....
Old Oct 26, 2008 | 08:25 PM
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Last I checked, a person can sell a car for whatever the **** they want. Did I miss something, and we went full communist overnight?

Last I heard, there is no such agency.
Old Oct 26, 2008 | 08:29 PM
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You can also sell the car and mark it as a gift
Old Oct 26, 2008 | 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by aboothman
Last I checked, a person can sell a car for whatever the **** they want. Did I miss something, and we went full communist overnight?

Last I heard, there is no such agency.
that is true
I can sell aything for any amount of money I want
I sold my ITR for "$7k" to a "friend"
What if i felt like selling it for $3k even though it's worth $14-$15k
last I checked, we still live in a free country
Old Oct 26, 2008 | 08:40 PM
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Its not about any agency telling you CANT sell it for whatever you want. You can.

What's being discussed is the commision of tax fraud and underreporting the amount of the sale.

Its about the TAXES on it. If they decide that you are underreporting the sale price to avoid taxes (thus commiting fraud), then you may get audited. Not on your sale price per se, but on your reporting of the sale price.
Old Oct 26, 2008 | 08:51 PM
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i know if you mark it as a gift you have to pay blue book price taxes.

personally i think its bs, the car has already had taxes payed on it once, why does a private buyer have to pay taxes again?>
Old Oct 27, 2008 | 03:05 AM
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you can sell it for $100 and the person can donate $29900 to you.. there's no way to enforce it, its all in how the seller writes up their income
Old Oct 27, 2008 | 03:20 AM
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Dude, if it exits, its taxed... pretty simple. Thats how our two party system works...
Old Oct 27, 2008 | 03:25 AM
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What I've seen done (when buying a car from a mechanic) is you buy the car for $12k, but $10k of that price was for repair work and such. The purchase price of the car was $2k.

This seem legit enough for me. I don't see what can be done to you.
Old Oct 27, 2008 | 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by krzyxrevver12
you can sell it for $100 and the person can donate $29900 to you.. there's no way to enforce it, its all in how the seller writes up their income
True, but then you would be liable for income tax on the $29900 instead.



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