dont forget to VOTE TODAY!!!!! feb 5...
dont forget to VOTE TODAY!!!!! feb 5...
just a friendly reminder (lol... even my work phone was called by the auto dialers of the republicans...)
VOTE!
otherwise, if you dont, you cannot ***** and whine here about the future of the country... and you.
thank you.
VOTE!
otherwise, if you dont, you cannot ***** and whine here about the future of the country... and you.
thank you.
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Eh...the Electoral College does the voting for us anyways...our vote right now only counts towards getting who we want to win the Primaries then hopefully that person gets chosen. Like my conservative vote would do much in Kalifornia anyways 
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I voted for the first time in my life today.
When I handed in my ballot I asked:
"So will this ballot be counted using a Diebold voting machine?"
Response: "Olnt know, some kinda voter machine"
sweet
When I handed in my ballot I asked:
"So will this ballot be counted using a Diebold voting machine?"
Response: "Olnt know, some kinda voter machine"
sweet
only reason it's been brought up recently is because of the florida mess in 2000.
you'd be surprised at how calif is really more of a red state than a blue one.
only reason is the SF bay area and the LA region overtakes the rest of the state.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic.../countymap.htm
but if you analyze the data, it's more red than blue. and that's why EC works...
Briefly, the Electoral College is meant to prevent a demagogue from taking power. The founding fathers feared that a charismatic person who wanted to assume dictatorial powers could sway a majority of voters, because many were too credulous and/or not educated (especially 200 years ago). The EC was designed as a defense mechanism in which prudent men would choose as president someone who would adhere to the Constitution and protect democracy in case a demagogue received a plurality (majority not necessary) of the popular vote.
Electoral College voting is not proportional--voters in small states have more clout than voters in larger ones because the number of Electors in a state is the sum of that state's Representatives AND its 2 Senators. Wyoming, with 1 Representative, has 3 Electors; California, with 53 Representatives, has 55 Electors. The number of Representatives is, more or less, proportional to the population of the state--that means that the impact of a vote in California produces 55/53, or 1.038 times the impact based only on population; in Wyoming the ratio is 3/1 or 3.000 times the impact of strict pro-rata voting. Although this sounds unfair (and in some ways it is), the Electoral College was designed specifically to produce just this effect, thereby making the states with small populations competitive against those with much larger populations: collectively, a coalition of small states can beat off the imposition of onerous conditions by the larger ones. This mechanism was the one designed by our Founders to control the "tyranny of the Majority" and it has worked pretty well throughout our history. I think they were very wise and I don't want to see it changed.
http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc...9531037111/p/1
one more:
There is also mathematical justification for the EC. I think the best metaphor is the World Series: The losing team may have more total runs, but if they don't accumulate those runs in such a way to win more games, they still lose.
Last edited by ldivinag; Feb 5, 2008 at 02:57 PM.
dude you don't count anyways if you vote.
well.. in the final election... **** the electoral college.
i refuse to vote until its all by popular vote.
the electoral college is trash... if 49% vote republican and 51% vote democrat in california for example... everyone who voted republican now represents the democrat vote because now california is a democrat state. such bull****.. why not just add up every vote and see who has the most in the end?
another ****ty thing about the electoral college is, a lot of states can be voted 100% republican and the electors can still vote for democrat. how ****in corrupt is that ****??
well.. in the final election... **** the electoral college.
i refuse to vote until its all by popular vote.
the electoral college is trash... if 49% vote republican and 51% vote democrat in california for example... everyone who voted republican now represents the democrat vote because now california is a democrat state. such bull****.. why not just add up every vote and see who has the most in the end?
another ****ty thing about the electoral college is, a lot of states can be voted 100% republican and the electors can still vote for democrat. how ****in corrupt is that ****??
see all of these states?
ARIZONA - 8 Electoral Votes
ARKANSAS - 6 Electoral Votes
DELAWARE - 3 Electoral Votes
GEORGIA - 13 Electoral Votes
IDAHO - 4 Electoral Votes
ILLINOIS - 22 Electoral Votes
INDIANA - 12 Electoral Votes
IOWA - 7 Electoral Votes
KANSAS - 6 Electoral Votes
KENTUCKY - 8 Electoral Votes
LOUISIANA - 9 Electoral Votes
MINNESOTA - 10 Electoral Votes
MISSOURI - 11 Electoral Votes
NEW HAMPSHIRE - 4 Electoral Votes
NEW JERSEY - 15 Electoral Votes
NEW YORK - 33 Electoral Votes
NORTH DAKOTA - 3 Electoral Votes
PENNSYLVANIA - 23 Electoral Votes
RHODE ISLAND - 4 Electoral Votes
SOUTH DAKOTA - 3 Electoral Votes
TENNESSEE - 11 Electoral Votes
TEXAS - 32 Electoral Votes
UTAH - 5 Electoral Votes
WEST VIRGINIA - 5 Electoral Votes
do you know what they all have in common? None of them are bound by law to vote for what the majority of the people in the state voted for. So I say boycott the ****in system. If it were by Majority and not Electoral, we would have never had Bush in office.. not to say Gore is much better... but none the less he would have won the total popular vote which is the only fair way to vote.
can someone tell me what a benefit of the electoral college is? I have yet to find one.
oh and not to mention it is a HUGE disadvantage for third parties!
ARIZONA - 8 Electoral Votes
ARKANSAS - 6 Electoral Votes
DELAWARE - 3 Electoral Votes
GEORGIA - 13 Electoral Votes
IDAHO - 4 Electoral Votes
ILLINOIS - 22 Electoral Votes
INDIANA - 12 Electoral Votes
IOWA - 7 Electoral Votes
KANSAS - 6 Electoral Votes
KENTUCKY - 8 Electoral Votes
LOUISIANA - 9 Electoral Votes
MINNESOTA - 10 Electoral Votes
MISSOURI - 11 Electoral Votes
NEW HAMPSHIRE - 4 Electoral Votes
NEW JERSEY - 15 Electoral Votes
NEW YORK - 33 Electoral Votes
NORTH DAKOTA - 3 Electoral Votes
PENNSYLVANIA - 23 Electoral Votes
RHODE ISLAND - 4 Electoral Votes
SOUTH DAKOTA - 3 Electoral Votes
TENNESSEE - 11 Electoral Votes
TEXAS - 32 Electoral Votes
UTAH - 5 Electoral Votes
WEST VIRGINIA - 5 Electoral Votes
do you know what they all have in common? None of them are bound by law to vote for what the majority of the people in the state voted for. So I say boycott the ****in system. If it were by Majority and not Electoral, we would have never had Bush in office.. not to say Gore is much better... but none the less he would have won the total popular vote which is the only fair way to vote.
can someone tell me what a benefit of the electoral college is? I have yet to find one.
oh and not to mention it is a HUGE disadvantage for third parties!
Last edited by evsoul; Feb 5, 2008 at 04:17 PM.
