scoobsport98

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If you don't share blood, fair game!

...that is, considering birth defects, etc. I'm sure society would still think you belonged on Jerry Springer.

SilverScoober02

If you're talking about late term abortions then I would agree with you. But most abortions are performed when it is just a mass of cells and no heartbeat. Therefore there is no "child"

SilverScoober02

While I respect that that is your opinion, it is just that. Your opinion. By the logic in that article a sperm "intends" on being a human at some point so when you nut in a towel you are commiting mass murder. There is no scientific argument for what you are saying.

As soon as that embryo has a human heart beat then I assure you I am dead set against abortion but up until that point it is a womans right to choose. Just my opinion

deyes

Spelling! I think its wrong, I'm not stopping them from doing anything, to most that would mean I'm being very tolerant. How am I missing it if I stated it!? I didn't say ALL churches! WTF!? They are pushing their beliefs on me. Like I keep saying, the government should have nothing to do with marriage. Its a shame it does.


How exactly is it constraining them again? Like I said by definition a civil union is a marriage. WTF!? "In this issue as is usual with most civil issues you vote for what is right not just what you believe." You are too much!LOL! IF YOU BELIEVE IT IS RIGHT THEN THAT IS WHAT YOU BELIEVE. NO ONE CAN TELL YOU WHAT TO BELIEVE, THAT IS UP TO YOU. Can someone please explain this to him. So if people like me ruled time would have stopped? Do you think I'm a racist? You do know I'm a minority, as well as a first generation American. I was not even born in America.


Please point me to this irrefutable evidence that homosexuality is not a lifestyle choice, and instead has some genetic cause so that I may be enlightened and delivered from the dark ages OH WISE ONE!

I'm not asking you to care, thats my business. How again am I imposing my morals on someone? I thought that this was about rights, I want them to have those rights!?

OK! Lets get back to reality here. I thought we all chose what our morals were? So I decide for them, who decides for me?



Thats right, perceptions have changed not the Bibles teachings though. Morals have changed, but not every ones. Societies moral say that everyone should have the same rights. I'm for that, I simply believe that the government should keep out of marriage and stick to rights. Let them marry whom they please but keep it out of the government. Have you even read my other posts? I think the government should stop calling it marriage for everyone, and just give everyone the same rights. That way we don't have to compromise our morals to make sure everyone has equal rights.

It was socially unacceptable, social acceptance and morals are not mutually exclusive buddy, get it?! Now its socially acceptable, that is not to say everyone believes that its not immoral. I'm sure that Quakers would tell you they think its immoral, and in their society its not socially acceptable. The two are related but they are not dependant on one another. I know that is an advanced concept for you, and that you would like if it were much simpler but the reality is just that.


Care to quote me on that one? I thought I said that I cannot in good conscience vote contrary to my beliefs. Like I keep saying, but you keep ignoring is that I beleive that the government should support no marriages, they should not call it marriage. But since that is not the issue on the ballot I will have to vote against what I believe is wrong. Wether or not you or anyone else thinks its wrong or right.

Ok, I'm wrong your right.
Its not up to us to decide what is wrong and right for ourselves and our society, its up to you and people like you to decide what is wrong and right and what our morals should be for us.

Unregistered

Yes you are stopping them from getting married. The whole freaking argument is about that.

You do know I'm a minority and a immigrant to the US, also your point? That doesn't change one bit that you are intolerant of others. Your beliefs can be wrong and they are. Sheesh you still believe its a choice.

You wanted scientific proof well here you go.

http://www.viewzone.com/homosexual.html
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...gayanimal.html
http://www.emperor-penguin.com/gay-penguins.html
http://www.salon.com/it/feature/1999...featurea3.html
http://www.emergence.qc.ca/mariage_a...20040424_7.htm

Want more stuff? If you know anything about what drives a spieces, no animal would be gay. Since it goes complete against everything they are. The number one drive in a population is to have children and pass on your genes. Why would animals "choose" to take themselves out of this. They wouldn't, hence besides the fact that homosexuals have different sized hypothalamus and express genes differently, it is not a choice. Maybe if you actually read up on a issue like this you wouldn't make stupid comments.


If you want them to have those rights why make it illegal to get married by a church? You are imposing your morals and trying to make it a law, which hence imposes on there rights. 1+1=2 get it!?

Yes you choose your own morals, but your trying to choose other peoples morals by not letting them get married by the church.

So you agree that Societies morals have changed? Yet you say the Bibles teachings have not? Sigh,
I sure have read your other posts.

So some people find it morally alright to eat other people. Does that make there morals right?




Actually I am right on this issue and you are wrong. I hope after you read those articles you will come to that conclusion that you are wrong. How many homosexual friends do you have? Proably none knowning your stance, go meet some you might be suprised and see that they are normal people just like you and I. And sometimes you can't even tell which ones are gay.

deyes

I'm not stopping them from getting married in a church that allows it. We are arguing about what the government calls it my friend.

Marriage
"A union between two persons having the customary but usually not the legal force of marriage: a same-sex marriage."

Like I said by definition a civil union is a marriage.

My point is that you keep comparing me to those that would deprive minorities their civil rights. I keep telling you gays should have those rights. You are intolerant too. My beliefs can be wrong? To whom? Yours are wrong to me. Wrong, right. That is a relative issue, there is no set wrong and right for everyone each individual sets those standards for themselves. I hate to sound like a broken record but again, WE DECIDE WHAT IS WRONG AND RIGHT FOR OURSELVES.


A lot of conclusions and speculation, nothing irrefutable.

Some other articles from the viewzone.

"A Weapon of Total Destruction was built in the Alaskan wilderness by the US military. Called "HAARP" it is based on Tesla's "death ray" and is capable of incredible destructive power."

" More Underground Cities are being constructed in the rugged mountains of Russia. U.S. Officials openly worry that Russia has a secret agenda."

From the national geographic article:

"In other words, if the urge to have sex is strong enough it may spill over into nonreproductive sex, as suggested by the actions of the bonobos and macaques. However, as Dunbar admits, there's a long way to go before the causes of homosexuality in humans are fully understood.

He said, "Nobody's really investigated this issue thoroughly, because it's so politically sensitive. It's fair to say all possibilities are still open."

What does this have to do with humans being born gay? Its a study on animal behavior specifically non reproductive sexual behavior.

From the emperor penguin website:

"We're here, we're queer,
we're penguins"

Lol! You're an idiot.

More conclusions drawn from wild animal behavior!? You can't do anything better than that? Maybe you don't know the definition of irrefutable?

Your argument is nothing less than pathetic.


"The gay wild kingdom Yes, some animals are homosexual, and studies of rams and zebra
finches suggest that sexual orientation is established very early
in development."




Please no more stuff! I think you should keep your fetishes to yourself from now on. If you choose to believe that then fine. I don't see any of the information that you presented as being proof, they are unproved theories at best.



Like I said its about rights, civil unions give them those rights. If they get married in a church that allows that then fine! I'd vote for a law that removes the word marriage from the governments vocabulary personally! Leave marriage to churches, give everyone the same rights.


How again am I stopping them from being married in a church that allows it? Oh, thats right. I'm not! ????????????



Societies, peoples, yes we are in agreement. No the bibles teachings have not, just peoples perceptions of those teachings as you said. Those are great quotes of mine! They didn't have anything to do with proving your point about me saying it harmed me and my children, but since your in the habit of not making points. Thanks for that!


It makes their morals not my morals. Over and over again I have to beat you in the head with it. Right is relative to ones beliefs! If they thinks its alright to eat people or spoon eachother than whatever. That does not mean its alright with me.

You are a piece of work. To you, you=right. To me, me=right. Its relative. If you were hoping to sway anyone with those article you are delusional. Once again you hurt your cause with your arguments. I have very few homosexual friends, but not none. I live in CA man! Yeah, I'm not easily surprised about who is gay. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything but a lot of what you say is along those lines.

Unregistered

Forget the rest of the stuff, what you just said here boogles my mind!!!!! My bachelors is in Mirco Cell biology. I worked in a lab for over TWO years in UT. We had meetings with other groups and there studies. And your telling me there is no corelation between animals and humans?! Thats why THOUSANDS of studies are done a year on animals and are then corelated to how HUMANS work?! Especially the mind!!!!! YOU DID NOT DISPROVE ANY OF THOSE ARTICLES. On top of that you didn't say anything on the difference between the hypothalamus of a straight person vs a gay person. You do know people get dissected, and if irregularities are found it usually means that is the cause of something. Amazing, really that is the fondation of what science is based on! So come on explain to me moron of the year what is the cause for homosexuals to have different sized hypothalamus than straight individuals? Why is it that homosexuality is both in the Homo sapiens and other spieces around the world. How come they also have different sized hypothalamus? On the first article you didn't even argue any of the points he made. I no longer have access to science journal online or I would of brought up the article by Dr. Barry Kosofsky. Or other scientist that are studying this. You are a dumbass. Jesus, if I can't use animals and I can't use humans to show you that it isn't a choice. What would I have to do?! Do you want me to say that "god told me it wasn't a choice?" What the **** is wrong with you? You in one single notion discredited thousands if not millions of studies that corelate humans with animals. Good job.

Unregistered

In my utter astonishment I forgot to mention a couple of other things. Animals are driven to reproduce to pass on there genes. It goes against what nature wants them to do if they are gay. Hence if it was a choice they would reproduce with the opposite sex. So you are discrediting this entirley, by saying woohoo some animals are gay. While in fact it corelates very well to humans. Also this shows exactly what type of person you are. You are ignoring facts, and going with god knows what to make your case to yourself. Next time when you try to debate with someone about this subject make sure they didn't at one point in time make a living doing research...
Oh and being gay isn't a "fetish". And since you said you have gay friends, which I strongly doubt, do they know that you think there life style is not only immoral but wrong and that they are pushing there beliefs to you? I seriously doubt you have any gay friends at all. All my gay friends that I have wouldn't talk to you after they found out what you thought about them. Hence either you're hiding who you are to these people or your lying.

subaruguru

This makes no sense at all. Does this mean that suicide is not a choice, murder is not a choice, etc, because if they could choose they would remain alive to reproduce? What on earth makes it impossible to choose something that is bad for you?

I don't think the question about homosexual marriage should be about choice. Choice doesn't matter. But that doesn't mean that there is no choice. There isn't one scientific study that proves that ANYTHING is chosen, much less that homosexuality is NOT chosen.