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Old 05-17-2014, 06:48 PM
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Hood Scoop Delete Grille w/TMIC?

So, I've been flirting with heresy, and am interested in a hood scoop delete, namely the KS Tech ones, unless anyone knows a cheaper option.

KS gives a disclaimer about not recommending use with TMICs, which I plan to run with for the indefinite future, citing the potential for knock. Sounds like a CYA measure.

I otherwise hear the stock scoop doesn't even take in air after about 35MPH. And if anything, wouldn't an open vent let out (through) more air at speed, and def at a stop? Just a shear larger opening.

So far as possibly applicable mods, I've a Subtle Solutions turbo chimney, big Perrin TMIC, and cold air intake (which is mostly for smog purposes if you say you don't believe in that sort of thing - it has an EO number, my particular short ram does not).

KS Tech also offers a louver plate to stick under the grille, but it seems to serve more a privacy than performance function.

I daily my car, kick around weekends, might track it someday.

Thoughts, concerns, criticisms, conjecture?

I've read a whole lot of "i can has the fizyx!!!!1111!!11" "arguments" out there about this (or at least retaining the scoop vs say running an NA hood for sleeper purposes), but not much actual data.
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wait, you want to remove the scoop and keep the tmic?
WHHYYYY?!?!?!
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wait, you want to remove the scoop and keep the tmic?
WHHYYYY?!?!?!
This.
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wait, you want to remove the scoop and keep the tmic?
WHHYYYY?!?!?!
Easily reversible mod. After I get my VF37 in there, I'll be happy if I break 350, no need for a front mount. More interested in response and low end power than top speed dominance.

Believe you me, I like the scoop, just wanted some change and hopefully the form doesn't dick with the function.
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Easily reversible mod. After I get my VF37 in there, I'll be happy if I break 350, no need for a front mount. More interested in response and low end power than top speed dominance.

Believe you me, I like the scoop, just wanted some change and hopefully the form doesn't dick with the function.
whatever floats your boat.

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I guess if you like heat soak -> inconsistent power and increased chance of detonation this could be your thing.
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This should just be deleted. Never seen such idiocracy.
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What about a GR style hood? I've seen BRZ's with them. Obviously its not functional, but that would be interesting to see on a GD.
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Please do, i was always curious of how many ways people could **** their cars
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Originally Posted by Brfatal
I guess if you like heat soak -> inconsistent power and increased chance of detonation this could be your thing.
Yes, heat soak happens and hot intake temps cause knock etc. Now show me, and not just some guy you heard once, that a grille specifically would cause that though. Not an NA hood, not a block off plate, but an open wire mesh.

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This should just be deleted. Never seen such idiocracy.
It's a question, not a set intention, even if I am biased to try it. I wouldn't have asked otherwise. I am perfectly willing to drop it just the same, again why I asked and didn't just pull the trigger, but I'd like to hear better reasons that what seems to amount to #BecauseStock. Why ever mod a car if that's the case.

I suppose it should give me warm fuzzies that people care enough to say something here, or did I just tip over the wrong sacred cow?
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electric fans on the IC??
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electric fans on the IC??
Wire mesh =/= block off plate

I make the imo not unreasonable presumption that air still is flowing, albeit out of the vent as opposed to in.
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Originally Posted by de_engineered
Yes, heat soak happens and hot intake temps cause knock etc. Now show me, and not just some guy you heard once, that a grille specifically would cause that though. Not an NA hood, not a block off plate, but an open wire mesh.
And? How about some common sense? Where is your airflow for heat exchange going to come from? You can't fit a fan under the intercooler. Not that you would want to to that route anyways as it's far less effective than using outside air due to high engine bay temps.

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Wire mesh =/= block off plate

I make the imo not unreasonable presumption that air still is flowing, albeit out of the vent as opposed to in.
Not nearly as much and the very limited air that is flowing is much more heat saturated and less efficient at cooling the intercooler than the alternative.

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Originally Posted by de_engineered
I've read a whole lot of "i can has the fizyx!!!!1111!!11" "arguments" out there about this (or at least retaining the scoop vs say running an NA hood for sleeper purposes), but not much actual data.
I give up.
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Originally Posted by de_engineered
Yes, heat soak happens and hot intake temps cause knock etc. Now show me, and not just some guy you heard once, that a grille specifically would cause that though. Not an NA hood, not a block off plate, but an open wire mesh. It's a question, not a set intention, even if I am biased to try it. I wouldn't have asked otherwise. I am perfectly willing to drop it just the same, again why I asked and didn't just pull the trigger, but I'd like to hear better reasons that what seems to amount to #BecauseStock. Why ever mod a car if that's the case. I suppose it should give me warm fuzzies that people care enough to say something here, or did I just tip over the wrong sacred cow?
sorry there are so many rude people on this forum. I think it looks cool. While I can't offer any professional advice on your mods you want to do, it does look sick, but it looks like it would get much less air flow to the IC. Most of them are nerdy, like really nerdy. But they better be careful because i know a lot more about them than they even know. And it's not because I'm a computer nerd.

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