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Old 05-03-2010, 12:58 AM   #1
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Maybe I'm just being an idiot, but...

I think Subaru needs to up their engine. The 2.5L boxer engine is great, no doubt about it. The sound of the boxer engine is beautiful, but I think it's time they make a bigger engine. I dunno how engines work, or if it is even possible, but a 3.0-3.5L Boxer engine would be great. Something to up their stock potential. I'm looking around at other companies and they are making their cars stronger than ever. For example, Ford Mustang GT is now 412HP stock and can do 0-60 in 4.3! Of course, I would never switch over to another car company, I love Subaru. AWD is the best, and they are definitely the most reliable cars I've seen that retain their value. But, I do think they need to make bigger/stronger engines to keep up with these other companies. I would love a 3.0-3.5L Boxer engine that produces 370+HP. That's just me though... Anyone else have any ideas?
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Subaru does produce a six cylinder engine.
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Here's a picture of a 6 cylinder Subaru...



And another...



And another...



And another...



And yet another...



And the most recent and probably most badass with it's 3.6L H6 with the new Legacy 6 speed.


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And from Wikipedia...

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All of Subaru's six cylinder engines are a Flat-6 Four-stroke cycle design, Liquid Cooled.

ER
(Japanese: Subaru ER27) Subaru introduced its first six cylinder engine in its Subaru XT sports car. This SOHC engine was based on the EA82, with two cylinders added to the back.
ER27: 2672cc SOHC, 145 hp@5200 found in the 1987-1991 Subaru XT

EG
The (Japanese: Subaru EG33) engine was a direct replacement for the ER found in the Subaru XT sports car. Replacing it was the Subaru Alcyone SVX so Subaru needed a new engine. As with the ER27, Subaru took the EJ22 and stretched it two cylinders to make the new EG33. However, this four valve per cylinder engine was DOHC and valvetrain parts came from the not yet released EJ25D.
EG33: 3318cc DOHC, 230 hp@5400 used in the 1992-1997 Subaru Alcyone SVX

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Subaru EZ36
The (Japanese: Subaru EZ series) was introduced in 1996 in the Japanese Domestic Market, in the Subaru Outback, and in 2000 in the United States Domestic Market. It is a flat-six, 24valve, quad cam motor with one intake port per cylinder. It has aluminium blocks and heads. The number of exhaust ports per cylinder varies. It is available in EZ30D and EZ36D variants. The later EZ30D used from 2003-2009 was heavily updated from the early EZ30D used from 1996-2004. All use dual timing chains and coil-on-plug ignition.

EZ30D: 2999cc DOHC, 220ps (161 kW) @6000rpm, 289Nm@4400rpm. Bore 89.2mm, Stroke 80mm. Compression 10.7:1. This version uses one exhaust port per head, a cable throttle, variable intake geometry, cast aluminium intake manifold, and has a 6500rpm rev limit. It was only available with an automatic transmission. Found in the 2000-2002 Outback H6 and Legacy Lancaster 6.

EZ30R: 2999CC DOHC, 245ps (180 kW) @6600rpm, 297Nm@4200rpm. Bore 89.2mm, Stroke 80mm. Compression 10.7:1. This version had one exhaust port per cylinder, a drive-by-wire throttle, a black plastic intake manifold, VVL and AVCS. It was available in manual and automatic unlike the old EZ30D. Found in the 2003-2009 Legacy 3.0R, Outback 3.0R and 2006-2008 Tribeca.

EZ36D: 3629CC DOHC, 260ps (191 kW) @6000rpm, 335Nm@4400rpm. Bore 92mm, Stroke 91mm. Compression 10.5:1. Found in the 2010-current Legacy, Outback and 2008-current Tribeca. The EZ36D incorporates possibly the only implementation of an asymmetrical connecting rod in a modern application. The "pork chop" connecting rod was designed to allow additional displacement from the same bore and stroke. [6]
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Aw snap, and here is a good read...

http://www.perrinperformance.com/pages/show/32

Perrin's write-up for their Turbo H6 2007 STi and they ended up getting around 600 WHP on that puppy.
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ya subaru doesnt need to up their game as they are putting out great power for a 4cyl, you referred to the mustang at 412hp and that is on a V8 with horrible gas mileage when the sti is just shy of a 100hp less with a 4cyl and good gas mileage. think about it...
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ya subaru doesnt need to up their game as they are putting out great power for a 4cyl, you referred to the mustang at 412hp and that is on a V8 with horrible gas mileage when the sti is just shy of a 100hp less with a 4cyl and good gas mileage. think about it...
There are some V8 cars that get similar or better gas mileage as our turbo'd 4's. The Corvette is one that comes to mind .

Remember that our turbo engines run low compression, so they're no horribly efficient out of boost. Everything has its trade-offs.

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Aw snap, and here is a good read...

http://www.perrinperformance.com/pages/show/32

Perrin's write-up for their Turbo H6 2007 STi and they ended up getting around 600 WHP on that puppy.
Ahhh! I see. Sorry guys. I didn't know that. I just assumed since all the STi's are Flat four that they wouldn't do anything bigger in an STi. That 3.6L Legacy is pretty badass though. Nd I wasn't really talking in terms of gas mileage nd stuff, but I get what you guys mean. Enlightenment has been reached lol. Thanks for the info guys.
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Here's a picture of a 6 cylinder Subaru...



And another...



And another...



And another...



And yet another...



And the most recent and probably most badass with it's 3.6L H6 with the new Legacy 6 speed.

+1 for H6
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ya subaru doesnt need to up their game as they are putting out great power for a 4cyl, you referred to the mustang at 412hp and that is on a V8 with horrible gas mileage when the sti is just shy of a 100hp less with a 4cyl and good gas mileage. think about it...
The new 412hp mustang does 26mpg freeway and a 430hp c6 vette can do 28 freeway... That's better then the new 260hp WRX.... I'll take the American v8 please lol
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The new 412hp mustang does 26mpg freeway and a 430hp c6 vette can do 28 freeway... That's better then the new 260hp WRX.... I'll take the American v8 please lol
That also has a lot to do with gearing.

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ya subaru doesnt need to up their game as they are putting out great power for a 4cyl, you referred to the mustang at 412hp and that is on a V8 with horrible gas mileage when the sti is just shy of a 100hp less with a 4cyl and good gas mileage. think about it...
I have. I have also researched it:

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Also new for 2011 is a choice of either a new six-speed manual transmission or a six-speed automatic. Normally we have absolutely no reason to ever recommend a slushbox over a proper row-your-own, however, together with that variable cam technology (Ti-VCT) and EPAS (Ford's electronic power steering), an automatic Mustang GT will be able to achieve 25 mpg on the highway. That's up from 23 mpg for the current Mustang GT with an auto 'box. Both the 2010 and 2011 get 17 mpg in the city, while the six-speed manual Mustang gets 24 mpg on the highway and 16 mpg in the big city, same as the current car.
Now read this: http://content.usatoday.com/communit...n-track-test/1

To the OP, I have said the same thing in other forums. Subaru really needs to do something in the engine department or they are going to lose market share. Even the new base model V6 mustang has the same HP as the STi and the GT is at 412hp and will some cheap aftermarket parts (exhaust, headers) will probably get another 40+. Before the fanboys start saying "Oh well let's just get in the twisties then", the new mustang GT has a track package that will likely perform as good or better than an STi. All of this for about the same price as an STi. It doesn't look that bad either especially compared to the horrid new rear end of the STi. What were they thinking with that wing????

I think Ford has really stepped up to the plate and it is time for Subaru to do the same.
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Here's a picture of a 6 cylinder Subaru...

Wasn't the turbo XT a 4 cylinder?
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I would have to agree that Subaru needs to do something. When I bought my STi in 05 it was a pretty dominant car. It was between that an an 04 Cobra that produced 390 but could easily pick up well over 500 whp with about 2500 in mods. For what I paid I had a pretty competitive car. Now I can't think of any car on the market that offers that kind of competitiveness at around 36000. If you can please let me know. If I were going to buy a car today I'd buy a new M3.
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... Now I can't think of any car on the market that offers that kind of competitiveness at around 36000. If you can please let me know. If I were going to buy a car today I'd buy a new M3.
How about the new Mustang GT? $30,495 for plain jane 2011 GT.

By the way, it is rumored that Ford underestimated the hp by a good 20+.

The M3 is not what it used to be in my opinion. Instead of the "league of it's own" performance machine it once was it is a techno'd out expensive status symbol. It appears to have gone completely away from it's roots. Don't get me wrong, it can still perform (it better) but when stock mustangs are beating it or close you are just buying it for the sparkles and shine. $25K+ more in sparkles and shine that is...

Interesting read: http://www.city-data.com/forum/autom...vs-2010-a.html
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