Turbo on a 2.5?
01-25-2003, 09:54 AM
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The WRX EJ20 has oil sprayers for the underside of the pistons to keep them cool as well as thicker cylinder walls, a ECU that was designed for a turbo application, better cams, lower compression ratio pistons, stronger rods and injectors. The stock RS rods aren't strong enough for large amounts of boost and a lower compression forged set of pistons would be a good idea if your going to build up the internals. The stock crank will work fine. I've been told the heads aren't up to huge amounts of boost but I haven't seen any actual flow data to show how much they can flow.
01-27-2003, 04:41 PM
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Don't forget AVO, they have been making turbo kits for 30 years,
We have one installed at www.rallitek.com the kit was written about in the Feb 03 isue of Turbo magazine and comes with link engine managment.
We have one installed at www.rallitek.com the kit was written about in the Feb 03 isue of Turbo magazine and comes with link engine managment.
01-29-2003, 07:09 PM
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None of the parts are needed, but would be a good idea to buy. What would be a good order of purchase?
Also i was looking back at the ludespeed stage 3 turbo kit, and i compared it to the AVO kit. The ludespeed kit appears to be a nice deal, and seems to be more specific on the parts it comes with. Does anyone have first hand experience with either kit. Right now im starting to learn towards the ludepseed stage 3 kit.
Also i was looking back at the ludespeed stage 3 turbo kit, and i compared it to the AVO kit. The ludespeed kit appears to be a nice deal, and seems to be more specific on the parts it comes with. Does anyone have first hand experience with either kit. Right now im starting to learn towards the ludepseed stage 3 kit.
01-29-2003, 11:14 PM
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Rallitek sent me an email after I asked them to list the components of their kit. They basically said, 'it's a Garrett ball bearing turbo, and AVO manufactures the rest in-house.' Not the answer I was looking for. Tom at Ludespeed hasn't gotten back to me yet, but I asked him more specific questions about his components and gave more info about what I wanted to do. Also, I don't think he will be ansering email until March... the order date for RS kits got pushed back til then. 
Still considering whether to ask Forced Air Tech for a parts list. Also, once I get around to actually dropping 5k on the engine, I will bug Shiv at Vishnu for a while too. I imagine there are 10 members among the 4,300+ around here who could come up with the cash for a new run of RS kits.
Still considering whether to ask Forced Air Tech for a parts list. Also, once I get around to actually dropping 5k on the engine, I will bug Shiv at Vishnu for a while too. I imagine there are 10 members among the 4,300+ around here who could come up with the cash for a new run of RS kits.
01-30-2003, 02:18 AM
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Don't forget about this one... www.PDMTurbos.com available at our site www.RKPerformance.com. Very nice kit, Jet-Hotted through and through. We can have a kit built for whatever you would like and will soon have an ECU available from the maker of the Torque Chip, IWTU Electronics, designed speciffically those who Turbo the RS. This kit comes with many years of development and versitility to upgrade when you feel like you need some more power! From a racing downpipe to Air to Water I/C (great for the '02s) to bigger turbos to extra injectors, we can pretty much make it happen. We can also get custom Garret kits (pictured on PDM's site, there so pretty!), so email me if you have any questions!
-Ryan
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-Ryan
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01-31-2003, 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by BAN SUVS
Rallitek sent me an email after I asked them to list the components of their kit. They basically said, 'it's a Garrett ball bearing turbo, and AVO manufactures the rest in-house.' Not the answer I was looking for. Tom at Ludespeed hasn't gotten back to me yet,
Rallitek sent me an email after I asked them to list the components of their kit. They basically said, 'it's a Garrett ball bearing turbo, and AVO manufactures the rest in-house.' Not the answer I was looking for. Tom at Ludespeed hasn't gotten back to me yet,
Do you know what that reply means? A.V.O. the whole kit is AVO except for the Turbo, it's a garret, and the Link of course.
It's not hodge podge, they built the kit from the ground up.
I for one am tired of trying to help people who ask the question who makes the best RS turbo kit. The answer is AVO, does some other guy have a faster RS , probably. This is a kit that only needs to be installed, you don't have to make it work, it will work. It's 4,400.00 dollars that seems to be most peoples problem. If you want quality parts from a company that's been turbocharging cars for 30 years your going to pay for it. I'd love to see more of these on the road but apparently the idea of getting a solid kit for a lot of money is less attractive then getting a kit thats not going to work for cheap .
Rant Off]
Seriously the kit is nice, Sean is aknowledgable.
He gets a ton af kids asking about the kit, rewrite him, tell him your serious and ask him your detailed questions, I'm sure you'll receive a prompt reply.
Read these links for an idea about AVO
http://www.turbomagazine.com/feature...rks/index.html
http://www.turbomagazine.com/features/0209tur_wrx/
www.avoturboworld.com
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01-31-2003, 08:05 PM
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My e-mail to Rallitek-
> Would it be possible for me to get a detailed list of the components
> used in the kit? It is only described in general terms on the
> website, and I'd like to know exactly what brands and models each of
> the major components are. Thanks in advance! Kevin
response from Sean-
Kevin ,
The general description lists all parts. The kit uses Link ecu and all
components are manufactured by AVO. THe turbo bearing is bought from Garrett.
The intercooler/turbo/pipes/fittings/blow off valve..... all built by AVO in
Australia. I hope that has helped.
As you can see I did ask a specific question. I was hoping to be told that model X blow-off valve from Company A, model Y turbo with XX trim, model Z intercooler sized 00x00x0 from Company B, etc. I was already convinced that the kit was high-quality, and well sorted out by R&D. I also know that I am knowledgeable enough about motors, and dumb enough to want to go faster, that 6 psi won't be enough for long. I intend to run ~10 psi, and therefore I wanted to know what exact capabilities each component of each kit has so I know what needs to be replaced or upgraded when I reach that point. Because of that, Ludespeed has a head start on receiving my hard-earned $4,500 because Tom is already offering a 9.6 psi wastegate spring which I presume he has tested and researched with his kits to some degree. Of course, AVO and PDM could do the same. I'm simply not pleased with the fact my question wasn't given enough thought to be answered properly the first time. Not only was the content of his reply already available on their website, I myself stated this in my e-mail. Also, I am still not ruling them out, they may indeed make the best kit for my intentions. But it's the other guys' turn to convince me first.
> Would it be possible for me to get a detailed list of the components
> used in the kit? It is only described in general terms on the
> website, and I'd like to know exactly what brands and models each of
> the major components are. Thanks in advance! Kevin
response from Sean-
Kevin ,
The general description lists all parts. The kit uses Link ecu and all
components are manufactured by AVO. THe turbo bearing is bought from Garrett.
The intercooler/turbo/pipes/fittings/blow off valve..... all built by AVO in
Australia. I hope that has helped.
As you can see I did ask a specific question. I was hoping to be told that model X blow-off valve from Company A, model Y turbo with XX trim, model Z intercooler sized 00x00x0 from Company B, etc. I was already convinced that the kit was high-quality, and well sorted out by R&D. I also know that I am knowledgeable enough about motors, and dumb enough to want to go faster, that 6 psi won't be enough for long. I intend to run ~10 psi, and therefore I wanted to know what exact capabilities each component of each kit has so I know what needs to be replaced or upgraded when I reach that point. Because of that, Ludespeed has a head start on receiving my hard-earned $4,500 because Tom is already offering a 9.6 psi wastegate spring which I presume he has tested and researched with his kits to some degree. Of course, AVO and PDM could do the same. I'm simply not pleased with the fact my question wasn't given enough thought to be answered properly the first time. Not only was the content of his reply already available on their website, I myself stated this in my e-mail. Also, I am still not ruling them out, they may indeed make the best kit for my intentions. But it's the other guys' turn to convince me first.
02-01-2003, 10:38 AM
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Originally posted by ImprezaRSDriver
Check with I-Speed, they do installs on turbo kits in the older RSs. They can tell you what is require and how much you will be spending on the project.
Check with I-Speed, they do installs on turbo kits in the older RSs. They can tell you what is require and how much you will be spending on the project.
02-01-2003, 01:35 PM
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Originally posted by BAN SUVS
My e-mail to Rallitek-
> Would it be possible for me to get a detailed list of the components
> used in the kit? It is only described in general terms on the
> website, and I'd like to know exactly what brands and models each of
> the major components are. Thanks in advance! Kevin
response from Sean-
Kevin ,
The general description lists all parts. The kit uses Link ecu and all
components are manufactured by AVO. THe turbo bearing is bought from Garrett.
The intercooler/turbo/pipes/fittings/blow off valve..... all built by AVO in
Australia. I hope that has helped.
As you can see I did ask a specific question. I was hoping to be told that model X blow-off valve from Company A, model Y turbo with XX trim, model Z intercooler sized 00x00x0 from Company B, etc. I was already convinced that the kit was high-quality, and well sorted out by R&D. I also know that I am knowledgeable enough about motors, and dumb enough to want to go faster, that 6 psi won't be enough for long. I intend to run ~10 psi, and therefore I wanted to know what exact capabilities each component of each kit has so I know what needs to be replaced or upgraded when I reach that point. Because of that, Ludespeed has a head start on receiving my hard-earned $4,500 because Tom is already offering a 9.6 psi wastegate spring which I presume he has tested and researched with his kits to some degree. Of course, AVO and PDM could do the same. I'm simply not pleased with the fact my question wasn't given enough thought to be answered properly the first time. Not only was the content of his reply already available on their website, I myself stated this in my e-mail. Also, I am still not ruling them out, they may indeed make the best kit for my intentions. But it's the other guys' turn to convince me first.
My e-mail to Rallitek-
> Would it be possible for me to get a detailed list of the components
> used in the kit? It is only described in general terms on the
> website, and I'd like to know exactly what brands and models each of
> the major components are. Thanks in advance! Kevin
response from Sean-
Kevin ,
The general description lists all parts. The kit uses Link ecu and all
components are manufactured by AVO. THe turbo bearing is bought from Garrett.
The intercooler/turbo/pipes/fittings/blow off valve..... all built by AVO in
Australia. I hope that has helped.
As you can see I did ask a specific question. I was hoping to be told that model X blow-off valve from Company A, model Y turbo with XX trim, model Z intercooler sized 00x00x0 from Company B, etc. I was already convinced that the kit was high-quality, and well sorted out by R&D. I also know that I am knowledgeable enough about motors, and dumb enough to want to go faster, that 6 psi won't be enough for long. I intend to run ~10 psi, and therefore I wanted to know what exact capabilities each component of each kit has so I know what needs to be replaced or upgraded when I reach that point. Because of that, Ludespeed has a head start on receiving my hard-earned $4,500 because Tom is already offering a 9.6 psi wastegate spring which I presume he has tested and researched with his kits to some degree. Of course, AVO and PDM could do the same. I'm simply not pleased with the fact my question wasn't given enough thought to be answered properly the first time. Not only was the content of his reply already available on their website, I myself stated this in my e-mail. Also, I am still not ruling them out, they may indeed make the best kit for my intentions. But it's the other guys' turn to convince me first.
The kit will support 6 psi and AVO makes the kit to run all day every day.
If you want 10 psi then you will have to do upgraded fuel pump, injectors and maybe even some internals would be in order, but if your going to run 10 you might as well run 14. Cobb sells internals.
The AVO kit will run up to 18 psi with that Turbo, you just need to make sure the engine has new LINK programing and enough full to avoid detonation, and you'll need a new transmission setup.
The AVO puts 212 HP to the wheels at 6psi. You did not mention in your letter that you wanted more than what AVO offers. The kit is a good starting point for thosehigher boost levels, but then you will be tuning and designing it yourself and that defeats the purpose of buying a kit that is NOT going to blow up your engine.
Good luck, if you want to talk about specifics, call me at my number on the website . Next time ask the right questions. Your questions were the equvalant of asking who makes Chevy parts. :P
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02-01-2003, 10:13 PM
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Originally posted by RalliTeK
What kind of specifics do you want?
What kind of specifics do you want?
Those are my specific component questions. Of course some if this info may not be easily posted on a message board, and some of it may even be proprietary and you don't want to publicize it at all, which would be understandable. But I am not the typical kid tuner who just wants to know how much boost, peak horsepower, and how loud the blow-off valve is, and I felt as though I was treated as such. Your presence in this thread has done much to mitigate that, however. Thanks for showing up to defend your honor.
If you want 10 psi then you will have to do upgraded fuel pump, injectors and maybe even some internals would be in order, but if your going to run 10 you might as well run 14.
The kit is a good starting point for those higher boost levels, but then you will be tuning and designing it yourself and that defeats the purpose of buying a kit that is NOT going to blow up your engine.
I know that your kit, among others on a short list of maybe 3-5, is very high quality, well sorted, and as reliable as any OEM turbo engine. And, in order to ensure this, each of you markets low-boost, mildly tuned, very safe engines. Any of these kits are a good starting point for my project- hence my interest. However, I am confident enough in my abilities, and yours, that I believe I can push your kit a little harder, but also humble enough to know it will be my fault, not yours, if I break it. Besides, I'm turbocharging a car that didn't have one when I bought it- I feel obligated to break something in the process. I wouldn't toss my 6 psi spring back in and start flaming you on message boards afterwards for not giving me free repairs.
Next time ask the right questions. Your questions were the equvalant of asking who makes Chevy parts.