Subaru needs to step up...
04-21-2014, 10:39 AM
#32
True! But looking at what the majority of the critics had to say about the STi and the main issue people have had were the body designs. Nothing about the power or transmission or fuel economy. Subaru has spent the better part of 10 years trying to find a body style that suits all markets, US and abroad. The design of the Golf hasn't changed that much cause it's a style that works. Subaru can't make up their mind, so instead of changing what "works" they changed the body style instead. One body style for every 2 years, '02-03, '04-05, '06-07. Finally in '08 they kept the same style till the '13 year before now changing it. In the mean time they have developed the FA20 and will probably bring that to the next STi.
04-21-2014, 10:39 AM
#33
Exactly. And that's why I'm still in a 2004 wrx. I have felt zero need to get a new one. I'd rather just fix what I have.
We should be looking at a 360hp STI getting 20/27.
That too me would be reasonable advancement.
They've made improvements with the interior and they've reworked the suspension but you're still looking at essentially the same car.
So why not just pick up a 2004 and build the crap out of it?
The bubble is bursting and it's pretty clear that Subaru could give 2 craps about the platform. The forester/outback platforms are doing so well they don't really need to. And they impreza is picking up as well.
Subaru is gonna have to do something with the WRX/STi in the next couple years or the platform is going to die. Ford for one is stepping their game up in a big way.
04-21-2014, 01:04 PM
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04-21-2014, 01:13 PM
#37
First of all we know that mileage is not rated how it was in 2004. Come on guys.
I think subarus doesn't want to put more power into it because they don't think people will pay. Look at the 2008 sti and the price difference nightmare that occurred. If your unfamiliar subaru did so poorly selling the sti's at the increased price, they began offering 7,000 off msrp+ other incentives. Of course they all sold within about a week and half after this priving value is most important. Most 08 sti's during sale were had new for 28.XXX (heuberger actually advertised the price to everyone online and sold a ton) and I heard of a few lower. I personally almost bought one for 28 from Folsom. Subaru is not going to make the sti 400hp until people are willing to shell out 44k for one.
I think subarus doesn't want to put more power into it because they don't think people will pay. Look at the 2008 sti and the price difference nightmare that occurred. If your unfamiliar subaru did so poorly selling the sti's at the increased price, they began offering 7,000 off msrp+ other incentives. Of course they all sold within about a week and half after this priving value is most important. Most 08 sti's during sale were had new for 28.XXX (heuberger actually advertised the price to everyone online and sold a ton) and I heard of a few lower. I personally almost bought one for 28 from Folsom. Subaru is not going to make the sti 400hp until people are willing to shell out 44k for one.
04-21-2014, 01:24 PM
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I think subarus doesn't want to put more power into it because they don't think people will pay. Look at the 2008 sti and the price difference nightmare that occurred. If your unfamiliar subaru did so poorly selling the sti's at the increased price, they began offering 7,000 off msrp+ other incentives. Of course they all sold within about a week and half after this priving value is most important. Most 08 sti's during sale were had new for 28.XXX (heuberger actually advertised the price to everyone online and sold a ton) and I heard of a few lower. I personally almost bought one for 28 from Folsom. Subaru is not going to make the sti 400hp until people are willing to shell out 44k for one.
04-21-2014, 01:33 PM
#39
First of all we know that mileage is not rated how it was in 2004. Come on guys.
I think subarus doesn't want to put more power into it because they don't think people will pay. Look at the 2008 sti and the price difference nightmare that occurred. If your unfamiliar subaru did so poorly selling the sti's at the increased price, they began offering 7,000 off msrp+ other incentives. Of course they all sold within about a week and half after this priving value is most important. Most 08 sti's during sale were had new for 28.XXX (heuberger actually advertised the price to everyone online and sold a ton) and I heard of a few lower. I personally almost bought one for 28 from Folsom. Subaru is not going to make the sti 400hp until people are willing to shell out 44k for one.
I think subarus doesn't want to put more power into it because they don't think people will pay. Look at the 2008 sti and the price difference nightmare that occurred. If your unfamiliar subaru did so poorly selling the sti's at the increased price, they began offering 7,000 off msrp+ other incentives. Of course they all sold within about a week and half after this priving value is most important. Most 08 sti's during sale were had new for 28.XXX (heuberger actually advertised the price to everyone online and sold a ton) and I heard of a few lower. I personally almost bought one for 28 from Folsom. Subaru is not going to make the sti 400hp until people are willing to shell out 44k for one.
I don't see how an improvement in technology and a few HP necessitates that kind of increase. It comes with time.
04-21-2014, 01:37 PM
#40
Hell... 330hp.
As it is it's already changed. The suspension set up alone changes "what the car" is all about. All the creature comforts. Etc. It's already a different car than it was 10 years ago. 3hp a year increase puts you at 335hp. That is NOTHING.
I don't think it changes the car. I think it just shows that you're at least trying to make it better. The whole platform is suppose to be about fun, speed, etc. It's not about being a "refined" sportscar. That's what the Legacy GT was for. That's what BMW/Audi/Mer are for. You want a car that you can put your foot in and get crazy in... STI.
A hp increase is just part of improving the product.
04-21-2014, 01:50 PM
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I don't know why Subaru would need to "step up" to 395hp. More HP always comes at a trade off of other things: reliability, cost to own, cost to build, etc. Above a certain point, more power is pointless except at the drag strip.
At the track 500HP muscle cars would catch up to me on the straight so I'd tap my mirror telling them I'll let them pass after the next turn... only to find after the turn they were no where to be found because the driver couldn't corner worth ****. Anyone can burn gas. It takes skill to control your car.
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04-21-2014, 01:58 PM
#42
Exactly. And that's why I'm still in a 2004 wrx. I have felt zero need to get a new one. I'd rather just fix what I have.
We should be looking at a 360hp STI getting 20/27.
That too me would be reasonable advancement.
They've made improvements with the interior and they've reworked the suspension but you're still looking at essentially the same car.
So why not just pick up a 2004 and build the crap out of it?
The bubble is bursting and it's pretty clear that Subaru could give 2 craps about the platform. The forester/outback platforms are doing so well they don't really need to. And they impreza is picking up as well.
Subaru is gonna have to do something with the WRX/STi in the next couple years or the platform is going to die. Ford for one is stepping their game up in a big way.
We should be looking at a 360hp STI getting 20/27.
That too me would be reasonable advancement.
They've made improvements with the interior and they've reworked the suspension but you're still looking at essentially the same car.
So why not just pick up a 2004 and build the crap out of it?
The bubble is bursting and it's pretty clear that Subaru could give 2 craps about the platform. The forester/outback platforms are doing so well they don't really need to. And they impreza is picking up as well.
Subaru is gonna have to do something with the WRX/STi in the next couple years or the platform is going to die. Ford for one is stepping their game up in a big way.
I hate agreeing with you but 100% spot on. Evo is done, why have a WRX/STiI am actually in the market for a new beater and am looking at a ford transit wagon.
04-21-2014, 02:00 PM
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04-21-2014, 02:04 PM
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and I guess honda?!?
04-21-2014, 02:26 PM
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