Overbear

You would be 100% wrong my young friend. If I was like the op, and I had modded a motor that then had gone boom, then that is on me.

As to expecting people to do research before buying a car, then more research before modding said car. Yes I expect people to show a bit of intelligence, and a IQ above their shoe size before they outlay cash like that.

Overbear

The point here is, did you leave it OEM/Stock? No, you put mods and a tune on it, and then you want to blame the manufacture for the fail. Why not go after the tuner? How about you go after who made the parts you bolted on? While we are at it lets go after the bank that let you buy the car in the first place, OH and don't forget to go after whoever taught you how to drive for negligence too.

Some people are so self entitled.

Brfatal

A. Even if he unmarries the AP, it can still be spotted.

B. They have better lawyers than you or him. ANd when you're suing them, YOU have to prove that modification didn't cause the failure. Good luck! I'll give you a hint on the outcome though. Returning to stock for warranty work? Fraud. Whether or not it is legally is up in the air, but for all intents and purposes it's basically a shot between the eyes to your case.

UKn00b

Not true Subaru has yet to employ knox or flash counters, it's been rumored for years but isn't there. 2015 perhaps I've not seen how they're setup.

This is based off the newer gen AP's which gather the stock rom and replace it at the unmarrying point, V1's and how they worked I'd assume are detectable though.

PaulWalker

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Overbear

Also, the guy posted about it on the internet, you think their lawyers wont dig that up and go "oh look, he knew he was committing fraud"


OP, I would say at this point, suck it up, buy a new short block, and chalk this up, you get to pay the stupid tax for playing stupid games.

damianwrb07

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You must walk through life with your eyes closed

cracker1252

I'm here for the gangbang

FXTbrah

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So not mentioning the car was stage 2 is fraud yet allowing the dealership to selling 30k lemons is perfectly OK. Got it fellas, carry on the gang bang.

slow04wrx

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This might be a reasonable point of view if it weren't for all the documented cases of engine failures with subarus. This is also normally not a bad point of view but in the case of subarus completely sadly doesn't work out. The reality of subarus come with awful "tunes" from the factory, this is what the whole proposed stop sale blah blah. Anyways what I've learned having had a number of newer subarus and researching and reading a lot is you are far better off getting a good custom tune then keeping it stock if you want your motor to last

I would say telling the op that it's his fault he should have left it stock is the most jack assed dumb **** I want to start a drama argument cause I'm a little boy sydrom thing I've heard in awhile? Yeah cause these cars aren't marketed to be modded, because subaru themselves doesn't make parts for them, because subarus tunes aren't proven to be terrible to the car. What a small brained thing to say. Anyway keep on trolling because you really know what you are talking about and you've had hella modded big horsepower subarus and your a master know it all with zero thought to how much money the op could be out, regardless of what actually happened with the engine.

Have they in anyway attributed the engine failure to the mods?

You need to think of it like dealing with a lawyer or insurance company. I think it's funny defending car companies when we all know how the business works and the more disgusting business of safety and recall costs. I think all of us are smart enough to know if they can save a dollar and get away with murder they will.


There should be a new rule if you don't have 1)helpful information 2) anything worthwhile at all to add keep your goddamn mouth shut. **** ruins the forum, get a therapist instead of bullying people on the internet.

Overbear

Young one, let me sum up what you said, before I answer.

Its your stance that the OP:

1) deserves a new motor because other subaru cars have had some issues with the motor when left stock
2) That because subaru puts a "bad tune" from the factory, it should be changed.
3) The OP is out a lot of money
4) Anyone who disagrees with your point of view should get help and is automatically a bully.


And now, lets address each of your "problems"

1) The OP modified the motor, it does not matter if a billion stock motors go boom. The fact is it was not stock, so any wrong doing by Subaru is null and void at that point. Again lets look at that, was the motor 100% stock...NO, therefor any damage to it could or could not be caused by the mods, but there is zero way to know.
2) The factory tune seems to work just fine for millions of other Subaru cars on the road, including WRX and STI cars that go 150k with no problem.
3) Not Subaru's problem, once again caveat emptor
4) Lets get to the meat of your post now. You, like many people I see every day, are suffering under the delusion that life OWES you things. You have no personal responsibility, you expect things given to you, then you get upset when someone says "no".

Think on that a long time before you respond to this post. The words "Personal Responsibility", perhaps look up the meaning.

I leave you with this quote from a very wise person, to ponder on.

“If you could kick the person in the pants responsible for most of your trouble, you wouldn't sit for a month.” ― Theodore Roosevelt

Overbear

Does Subaru sell a car that 100% of the time dies at 30k? Looking at the numbers its not even 1% of their motors that have a problem at this point, but again, the OP went "stage 2"


Answer this young friend, how is it Subaru's fault the motor went bad, when the OP admits to modifying the engine? Lets put this another way, if the OP had changed the brakes out, then lost control at a stop sign and run down a person, because the brakes failed, would that be Subaru's fault?

FXTbrah

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lol @ you justifying its ok for the dealership to steal his money because stats show it only happens to less than 1% of the people. There are plenty of people that this has happened to with a stock motor. Not only that, a Subaru specialist in this same thread is telling you that Subaru makes shoddy pistons. No one expects Subaru to make perfect motors but people expect them to fix their mistakes and not put the tab on the customer.

As far as your brake analogy, yes it would. If you put on new brakes and there was enough evidence that brakes on stock Subarus fail even .01% of the time, it would be Subarus fault in that scenario. That situation also has too many variables so I'm assuming the person wasn't speeding and it wasn't raining.

If this was some fluke thing where I didn't read a thread like this once a month, I'd chalk it up to user error but this is a common enough problem that it comes up over and over and Subaru always tries to get out it by denying and blaming it on anything and everything. This ****s been going on since 2007. I'm personally not OK with that. If I got a 30k lemon, noise would be made until they made things right.

damianwrb07

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In 2006 and 2007 Subaru sold "TR" Wrx's if anyone is unaware the "TR" stands for Tuner ready. Subaru knows that people buy they cars and "Tune" them. In a booklet that I recieved in the mail 2 weeks after buying my Subaru titled "Guide to ownership" there is a picture of 50 modified Subarus driving into a meet and a caption above saying Connecting all of us with similar interests, see upcoming events by liking Subaru of FB
I'm not trying to cheat anyone or get something for free by deceiving Subaru. I just want a reliable motor so I can enjoy my Subaru as much as I did my 07 Wrx. I'm not doing anything differant than the vast majority of Subaru owners on I-club or any other site are doing.I hope that Subaru fixes these internal issues with the new FA series motors because I'd like to own another Subaru down the road, I've had a lot of fun going to meets,jawing online, Subie runs and to think my experiance would end on such a sour note would be terrible.

TheFozz

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*So resisting chiming in. I can at least say if anyone else is planning on running a tune or more boost on their rides, have the engine checked first. Sadly though, without a teardown it's a gamble on whether you can or cannot detect crap ringlands and poor clearance values.

Off-Topic, my truck hasn't burned a single, detectable drop of oil since buying it last Fall. Can't say the same about the other stuff.