I had 2 sets of Tbs 11's on my civic, both 16 and 17. they kicked ***. i had the 17s for about 3 years and they were very tough. hard to scratch and they never dented despite the ****ty chi town streets. I am also saving to get the rpm2 for my WRX just need more $$. I was very happy with the wheels in the past. I had a pair of konig tuners for about 6 months and three of the 4 dented because of the deep dish lip. they also started to show spots of corrosion even though i was using them i the summer and washed the car often. my only recomendatoin is do not get any deep liped wheel if you plan to drive hard.