I plan on getting a turbo kit for my 01 2.5 RS soon. First I was looking at the ludespeed stage II, I got about 3500 right now. On the old forum though a new thread was started for a ludespeed holiday group buy, I could get the stage III for a few hundred more than the II if enough people participated. I am looking at the stage III because that turbo has future potentail to pump out more power, and includes the link2 ecu so I can fine tune everything and hopefully not destroy my engine. So what should I do, get stage II and save a little, or go with the stage III and not have to get any more stuff in the future?

Go with the stage III.

stage III.

put a down payment on an evo.

F*ck an Evo! It's still a mitsu.

-Brian

which is better than a sloburu. Man some people and their temper sheesh I didn't piss in your cheerio's this mornining did I.....
Hmm where did I take that piss..

Well look what we have here... I have waited years for this.

Look at these morose mother:monkey:ers right here. Smells like someone **** in their cereal... BUNG! That was sweet.

:monkey: to the fact that EVO's need more computing power to run the tranny and diffs than what is needed to say :monkey: in this post. I'll take my Rick Moranis strength, all-mechanical, properly oriented, north-south, old fashioned gearbox.

Originally posted by BAN SUVS
Well look what we have here... I have waited years for this.

Look at these morose mother:monkey:ers right here. Smells like someone **** in their cereal... BUNG! That was sweet.

:monkey: to the fact that EVO's need more computing power to run the tranny and diffs than what is needed to say :monkey: in this post. I'll take my Rick Moranis strength, all-mechanical, properly oriented, north-south, old fashioned gearbox.


What makes you think it's coming with all that.
There were plenty of GSX eclipse and other ones without it.

I am sure that the I-Speed guys can help you out as they have a great deal of experience with those kits.

Just remember that the kit itself isnt the end of your costs. There's always the clutch, the exhaust, Install if you cant do it, or dont know someone who can. Little MISC costs that add up.

Yup, you will always need to plan for other things. That is unavoidable.

I will be more expensive, but go for the III. You'll be glad you did in the long run.

Another option is that you could buy somebody elses turbo kit. You know from the average person who is going to sell the kit and the car seperately. Its alot cheaper then $3500 that way. In fact its cheap enough that you could get a replacement ECU with the cost difference.


Oh and don't knock an Evo until you drive one. Those cars really are everything you hear. Simply the best brand new car I've ever test driven. Especially when the sticker on the window only said about $27K after the Yen conversion. If you want to compare a stock fully mechanical style of transmission then I'll take a GTI-R cause having LSDs front and year with over sized gears as stock is a good thing.

Originally posted by N/A
Oh and don't knock an Evo until you drive one. Those cars really are everything you hear. Simply the best brand new car I've ever test driven. Especially when the sticker on the window only said about $27K after the Yen conversion. If you want to compare a stock fully mechanical style of transmission then I'll take a GTI-R cause having LSDs front and year with over sized gears as stock is a good thing.

Agreed. SCC put an EVO up against Jacquot's modded WRX and said the EVO kicked mad booty on the pavement and track, but they wouldn't have traded because of the WRX's prowess on roads that barely qualify for the term 'road'. And besides, I own a Suby, so the EVO gets the :monkey::p

i'd go with the stage III it'll be way more fun hah

keep in mind that is a Euro spec EVO i doubt we will get the same exact thing here in the states. The only reason why the EVO is fast because of all its computers. The Impreza is fast on the track because of perfected chasis and diff tuning. Yeah i have that issue where the EVO mops the floor with the WRX, But if it were the JDM versions we would have a different story. The last best in motoring the spec c impreza wastes the EVO 7.

Well back ON TOPIC

You should save for the stage 3 seriously stand alone is the only way to go, and the link plus is perfect for a RS-T application. I think i can vouch for the rest of the RS-t owners out there that stand alone engine management was a god send. Also if you did go with piggy backs all of them together would come out to near a link plus unit so might as well get it anyways. Oh yeah and skywalker the moderator the moderator of the engine management forums can answer all questions concering the link plus.

Andy from I-Speed

III. you dont want to regret the II when you want more

I think its funny when Subaru has to build a special edition of their car just to be able to make a car faster then a stock Evo7 RS model. The Evo7 is fast at the track cause of the over all better design of the car. Its not a massive brick when it comes to aerodynamics, its got a bullet proof motor in it and the stock M/Ts don't break nearly as easy as the Subaru built stuff.

If your seriously going to do it and its worth doing then do it right and get the best stage/kit out there.

I am also considering ludespeed stage 3. I just think for the extra money, it gives you alot more headroom for future expansion. Plus just saying you have standalone engine managment gets hella chicks (or so I've heard).

On the Evo vs Wrx thing. Let's see a us lancer vs us wrx. HAHAHAHA. then EVO vs STI ala Best Motoring. Even the drift king disses the EVO because it has to use so many computers to do what the STI does with all mechanical parts. own3D BIATCH!!@@#$

The drift king can suck a what? Please, did somebody just refer to the drift king in reference to rally cars? If your so proud of the mechanical system used by the WRX then maybe you should compare it to other AWD non computer controlled systems out there like the GTR (R33 and R34) or the GTI-R or the previous model Evos. Even without the computer controlled systems Mistu made a better more reliable AWD system in the previous model Evos.

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ATTESA-ETS

The GT-R uses an ELECTRONICALLY controlled all-wheel-drive system (similar to Porsche's 959). A 16-bit microprocessor monitors the car's movements a 100 times per second, including wheel rotation and lateral as well as longitudinal acceleration. When slip is detected at a driving wheel, the system electronically distributes torque from this spinning wheel to one without slip.

In this case the electronic AWD-system offers the advan-tage that actions are enacted much faster than by a viscous-coupling-system (we're speak-ing of hundredths of a second here). In standard setup, ATTESA-ETS distributes the torque to the rear-wheels, but when slip is detected on one of those rear-wheels, it can distribute up to 50% of the torque to the front wheels, i.e. it can adjust the front/rear torque-split from anything between 0:100 to 50:50. Among the rear-wheels, an active LSD can further distribute the torque from one wheel to the other if necessary. Due to this setup, the Skyline GT-R can even drift, although it is an AWD car.
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Ok, i'm sorry, wtf were you saying about mechanical four wheel drive systems on a GTR? Sorry, but you have no clue about cars, your not even worth disagreeing with. Have a nice day. Did I mention this is about the R32, todays versions of ATTESA are even better. :D

god damn it don't stray off topic!! :). Anyways I have decided to save for stage III. Why? Stand alone engine managment, this way I can tune the engine to not have detonation or knocking and extract the best performance and economy from the engine, and also have the software to crank up the boost more when I eventually get a stronger tranny. With something like the J&S safeguard, it wait for pinging and knocking, THEN adjust timing and the fuel curve. Why get shot wearing a bullet proof vest when you don't need to be at all?

pillaka, you are sound minded individual. Good luck on your project :)

good move. stage 3 is the way to go.

Save your pennies, you're almost there. :D
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Although I do have to say that the kick ass EVO RS's has mechanical DIffs, but I digress.

-scu

The R32 GTR uses a electronically controlled AWD system. That is why the drag racers liked them so much because they could use a toggle switch to control the car and put it into RWD mode for heating up the tires. The R33 and R34 cars however don't allow for that option cause they don't use a electronically controlled center diff. That is why I specifically said the R33 and R34 GTRs. So maybe you should grab your ankles and pull really hard to get your head out of your ass. Your Subaru uses a open front diff and a LSD in the rear where as the GTI-R Pulsar uses three LSDs as stock. The GTI-R like the R33 and R34 GTR can't be run in RWD mode. You should keep in mind that cars change between years and not every year is the same. If you care to buy a ticket and fly over here to Japan I can point out the obvious difference at the track in Sendai. Not all ATTESA systems are the same. This ones would put the smack down on your Subaru.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/p128d18e37d23c1b8f08d8664e96a4720/fd6b9a30.jpg

stage III, all the way

If you are going to stock with a Subaru then get the Stage III setup. This will be so much more forgiving in the long run. I will also be posting a lot of info on the Stage III Setup this Thanksgiving on our site if you want to take a look at some more information.

I-Speed USA (http://www.i-speedusa.com)

Yeap. I just ordered one as my present. I think every hardworking man deserves their christmas toys eh?

~Anthony.

what ever kit you go with, expect to double the cost. what i mean is minor set back's. i just went through it my self. my kit was around 3800. throw in cost of install 800, the people that did it botched it bad!! so add another 500 because the blew my ecu and i had to replace it. on top of that i have to replace the clutch... 350 more (not including install) the install finally worked out perfectly though. despite all the misshaps, the final product is well worth it. plus robert from forced air tech is going to do the install of my clutch since he did my turbo. oh yeah add about 800 for airfare 2 times from phonix az and back.

good hunting,
todd